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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page, by a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area, from which the articles are promoted into the Queue.


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Instructions for nominators[edit]

Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began or it became a good article (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).

If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing:
Official DYK criteria: DYK rules and supplementary guidelines
Unofficial guide: Learning DYK

To nominate an article[edit]

Read these instructions completely before proceeding.
For simplified instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK 2.
Create the nomination subpage.

Enter the article title in the box below and click the button. (To nominate multiple articles together, enter any or all of the article titles.) You will then be taken to a preloaded nomination page.

Write the nomination.

On the nomination page, fill in the relevant information. See Template:NewDYKnomination and {{NewDYKnomination/guide}} for further information.

  • Not every line of the template needs to be filled in. For instance, if you are not nominating an image to appear with your hook, there is no need to fill in the image-related lines.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Make sure the nomination page is on your watchlist, so you can follow the review discussion.

In the current nominations section find the subsection for the date on which the article was created or on which expansion began (or, if a new Good Article, the date on which it became a GA), not the date on which you make the nomination.

  • At the top of that subsection (before other nominations already there, but below the section head and hidden comment) add {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}}.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Consider adding {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}} to the article's talk page (without a section heading‍—‌the template adds a section heading automatically).

How to review a nomination[edit]

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Frequently asked questions[edit]


This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first (so that those hooks don't grow stale), it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions above).

Where is my hook?[edit]

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Search archived DYK nomination discussions[edit]

Instructions for other editors[edit]

How to promote an accepted hook[edit]

  • See Wikipedia:Did you know/Preparation areas for full instructions.
  • Hooks that have been approved are located on the approved nominations page.
  • In one window, open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to promote.
  • In another window, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
  • In the prep set...
    • Paste the hook into the hook area (be sure to not paste in that that)
    • Paste the credit information ({{DYKmake}} and/or {{DYKnom}}) into the credits area.
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted [[Jane Fonda]]", preview, and save
  • Back on DYK nomination page...
    • change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • change |passed= to |passed=yes
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted to Prep 3", preview, and save

How to remove a rejected hook[edit]

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue[edit]

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name[edit]

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.


Older nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on August 6[edit]

Claus Leininger

Musiktheater im Revier
Musiktheater im Revier

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 16:34, 13 August 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article is new enough, long enough and within policy regarding neutrality, sourcing and close paraphrasing. The image is licensed and a good illustration. Volcanoguy 02:59, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Returned from prep for further work on the hook per discussion at WT:DYK. Perhaps something hooky could be written about the subject himself. Yoninah (talk) 22:51, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Would the original hook work if "Ruhr-Scala" was pipe-linked as "Ruhr-Scala"? I just checked the article and unfortunately there's not really much else that's hook-worthy from the content, so we might need to work on this hook. @Gerda Arendt: Some questions about the article: in the lede section, is "profil" intentional or a typo of "profile"? Also, is there no information about what happened between his retirement and death? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:46, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
He made a house at an impossible culture-less place (Ruhr) a success (La Scala), - I thought it was a brief summary. Yes, a typo, and don't mention the most unusual, contemporary opera, because we had it already, - some wordsmith, please. - No reason to say anything about his retirement if he possible simply enjoyed it ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:16, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
  • I think the hook would work if you explained it. I added something to the article along those lines: Alluding to La Scala, the house was nicknamed Ruhr-Scala at the time, reflecting its cultural offerings in what was essentially an industrial zone. If that was sourced somehow, we could have:
  • ALT2: ... that during Claus Leininger's tenure as general manager of the Musiktheater im Revier (pictured), the theatre was nicknamed "Ruhr-Scala" for upgrading the cultural offerings of what was essentially an industrial zone? Yoninah (talk) 09:50, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg That's a much better hook, since the explanation adds to the hookiness (i.e. the contrasts between culture and being an industrial zone). To be honest, I had concerns about the original hook when promoting it, but had good faith that perhaps others could find it interesting. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:10, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment: Symbol possible vote.svg This was pulled by Fram in a now archived DYK talk page discussion about issues with the article. I did what Fram should have done and that is to reopen the discussion and now I will re-add it back to the nominations page. SL93 (talk) 15:48, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
(ec) The thread is at Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 153#Two hooks removed from Prep 5 (probably the next queue to hit the main page), - the concern being that the explanation is not sourced in the article. My 2ct: it's only an explanation for the hook without context, explaining what the links to Ruhr and La Scala provide anyway. I offered an ALT, to no avail so far:
ALT3: ... that when Claus Leininger was general manager of the Musiktheater im Revier (pictured), he won international opera singers to perform in the Ruhr district?
Revier is a colloquial term for the Ruhr district along the Ruhr river, btw. The name of the theatre is a program. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
ps: best to have it pictured, to show that it isn't the typical opera house ;) - The first hook was approved in August, - it's perhaps the nom with the longest time between approval and appearance. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:14, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
... only that the history is short, 1959 ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:00, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg - Length, Date, QPQ, and Earwigs check. Foreign language refs (for ALT4) are accepted AGF and image is also freely licensed. Gerda, we just need a cite for the Productions section. Best, Mifter Public (talk) 04:21, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
I took as I found it on de, added the IMDb ref, all others seem mirrors, there's WorldCat also with less detail. It's so lon ago. If that's not good enough we can drop the section until after DYK, it doesn't count anyway. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:43, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 12[edit]

Timeline of Cluj-Napoca

1617 engraving of Cluj/Kolozsvár/Klausenburg by Joris Hoefnagel.
1617 engraving of Cluj/Kolozsvár/Klausenburg by Joris Hoefnagel.
  • ... that throughout its long timeline the city of Cluj-Napoca was part of many empires and kingdoms, including Roman Empire, Hungarian Kingdom, Habsburg Monarchy, Austria-Hungary and Kingdom of Romania ...? Source: "MacKendrick, Paul Lachlan (2000). The Dacian Stones Speak. Routledge Monographs in Classical Studies (illustrated, reprint ed.). Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press."; Source: "Lukács, József (2005). Povestea "oraşului-comoară": scurtă istorie a Clujului şi a monumentelor sale [The story of the "treasure-city": a short history of Cluj and its monuments] (in Romanian). Levente Várdai. Cluj-Napoca: Apostrof. ISBN 978-973-9279-74-1. "

5x expanded by Codrinb (talk). Self-nominated at 20:00, 12 September 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg Not eligible. List articles must have at least 1,500 characters of readable prose in order to qualify for DYK. Catrìona (talk) 05:44, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg This appears to be only the nominator's fifth nomination, and given that the article itself is long (the problem is that the content is presented as a list while DYK's length requirement only applies to prose), this could still work as a hook. @Codrinb: I would suggest you expand the lede section to be a summary of the whole article, ensuring that it is at least 1,500 characters. Once this is done, this can become DYK eligible. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 05:00, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi all. Thank you for the feedback. I put a lot of work into this article and I will be happy to make anything that is necessary to make it eligible. Thank you for giving me a chance, @Narutolovehinata5:. The main reason for not expanding the lead more is to keep it "in sync" and consistent with all the other articles in Category:Timelines of cities in Europe. If you look at Timeline of London or Timeline of Frankfurt, they have a similar lead. If you think that I should deviate from this, in order to achieve DYK, I will do it. I will also ping @M2545: and other users involved with such lists, perhaps there are other examples of DYK or longer leads. Thanks! Codrin.B (talk) 10:32, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi again, I have added a new lead as requested. Please let me know if this works. Thanks. Codrin.B (talk) 12:38, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
To try and help push the DYK along I have edited the article's lead. It is now at 1,623 characters. I hope that helps! --Elonka 22:47, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - The grammar in the hook is weird. Roman Empire needs a definite article, as do some of the others.

Image eligibility:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Is this one of your first five DYK noms? Catrìona (talk) 06:40, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

@Catrìona: This is the nominator's fifth nomination so no QPQ is necessary yet; however, their next DYK and beyond will require a QPQ. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 07:30, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback. What is QPQ? ;-) How about this text and new image:
Cluj coat of arms, awarded in 1377.

Codrin.B: I would accept that if the caption were significantly shorter. 8 lines is too many. Catrìona (talk) 04:19, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Catrìona:. I removed less important aspects from the lead and kept the core ideas. The lead is now around 1800 characters. I hope this is acceptable. Thanks.Codrin.B (talk) 06:25, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
Ah, you were talking about the image caption... I never intended it to be so long. I just added the image previously with the caption I used elsewhere. To goal was to check if this image is better. I trimmed down the caption as well now. Codrin.B (talk) 06:30, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg I recommend the wording "throughout its long history" rather than "throughout its long timeline". Catrìona (talk) 06:34, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
The reason I used "timeline" is to differentiate from the History of Cluj-Napoca article, which I might also work on to get it to a DYK, and also to be inline with the article title: "Timeline of Cluj-Napoca". But certainly "history" sounds better. I am fine if it has to be changed for the DYK. Thanks. Codrin.B (talk) 10:04, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svgI'm a little concerned at the amount of unsourced content here. An entry about Hadrian becoming Emperor may not need a source, but an entry about a redlinked individual such as Flavius Italicus does, I'm afraid. Vanamonde (talk) 23:02, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Actually all governors of province Dacia come out of the List of Roman governors of Dacia Traiana which in turn uses this reference: Petolescu, Constantin C. (2014). Dacia: un mileniu de istorie [Dacia: a millennium of history] (in Romanian). Bucharest: Editura Academiei Române. ISBN 978-973-27-2450-7.. I expected that this could be an issue so I started to add individual references for each governor. Thanks for bringing it up. Codrin.B (talk) 22:26, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
@Vanamonde93:, @Catrìona:, @Narutolovehinata5: - I finalized adding references to all legates, procurators and other leaders from 2nd and 3rd century. From my perspective, while it could be further improved, the article is quite well sourced for all the centuries and from a wide variety of sources. Please let me know if there is anything else I can do to make this better and get it approved. Thanks. Codrin.B (talk) 22:09, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg It's been over two weeks without any of the previous reviewers returning; a new reviewer would be welcome. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:24, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg - Length, Date, Earwigs, and QPQ exempt check. However while the article has many more citations (thank you Codrin.B for your work here) some of the facts in the hook regretfully do not have cites - for example the city being included in the Treaty of Karlowitz (Hapsburg), being part of Austria-Hungary, and the Hungarian Kingdom. Once those are added/clarified, we should be good to go. Best, Mifter (talk) 23:33, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
Ok, thanks @Mifter:. I will work on those references as well.Codrin.B (talk) 14:33, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 23[edit]

Conquest Brigade

Foundation of the Conquest Brigade in 2013
Foundation of the Conquest Brigade in 2013
  • ... that the Conquest Brigade (pictured) was described as "moderate Islamist" group, despite closely cooperating with ISIL and supporting the extermination of a religious minority in Syria? Source: "Noteworthy also from the fall of the Mannagh airbase is a video released by the battalion Liwa al-Fatah, described by one writer as a "moderate Islamist" group. A quick glance at the video quickly demonstrates that in analysis, the term "moderate Islamist" in this context is quite meaningless. First, Abu Jandal al-Masri, the leader of the JMWA contingent--identified immediately by the speaker who filmed the video as synonymous with ISIS--is seen to be embracing a member of Liwa al-Fatah. Abu Jandal then proclaims, "I swear by God we will not leave a single Alawite alive in Syria... state of Islam, state of the Caliphate." This is all proclaimed to the assent of "God is great" from the other fighters, including the Liwa al-Fatah member who filmed the video." (The Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham, pp. 24, 25)

Created by Applodion (talk). Self-nominated at 19:04, 23 September 2018 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol voting keep.svg You need to include (pictured) somewhere in the hook to attach a picture. Catrìona (talk) 07:08, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Added "pictured" and QPQ. Applodion (talk) 07:29, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg This was pulled from the main page by Stephen due to sourcing issues raised at WP:ERRORS. As the article was up for less than an hour, it probably deserves a second chance, but right now a lot of work needs to be done if this is to return to DYK. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:54, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Frankly, I do not understand the problem. The source is reliable and clear about the issue, and it is inline-sourced. Further sources for the hook are given in the article, for example the Historical Dictionary of Islamic Fundamentalism clearly states that the group's members were "aligning themselves with the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) for a time". Applodion (talk) 10:11, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
As the main criticism was about the hook being too broad, how about: ALT1: ... that the Conquest Brigade (pictured) was described by one writer as "moderate Islamist" group, despite closely cooperating with ISIL and supporting the extermination of a religious minority in Syria? (same source) Applodion (talk) 10:52, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
Well, I have no idea what the "sourcing issues" actually were, but ALT1 seems OK to me because it alleviates the concern about "moderate Islamist" a label that the source criticizes. Catrìona (talk) 16:04, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
The problem was that the editor who reported the "sourcing issues" never replied to my question about what exactly the problem was; another editor suggested that it was due to the original hook not being clear enough. Anyway, I hope that it will be ok this time thanks to the tweak. Applodion (talk) 12:11, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
@Applodion: Have you tried talking to the editor again on what those sourcing issues were? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:43, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
  • @Applodion: It's been several weeks now. If the issues can't be resolved here, this will be marked for closure as stale. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:43, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: Well, I guess that would be the best course of action. Applodion (talk) 08:57, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
@Applodion: Do you at least remember which editor was the one who brought up the sourcing issues? Maybe you can try talking to them one more time and see if things can still be resolved. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:59, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: Yes, it was Black Kite, as seen here. The explanation of the removal, as stated on the archived page here, was "It's vital to know who said this 'cos if it was my nan who said it, why should it be important? If, however, it was Kofi Annan, for example, well that's a different matter." Applodion (talk) 14:09, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
Er, as far as I can see, the sentence "By 2013, the militia was considered to be "moderate Islamist" in its views by some observers, though it already exhibited strong links to ISIL by this stage.", still doesn't have a source attached, and still doesn't say who the "some observers" were. Also pinging Stephen as the admin who pulled the nomination. Is there a completely different hook we could use? It's a good article, and it'd seem a shame not to use it. Black Kite (talk) 20:12, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
@Black Kite: Well, one of the experts who called them "moderate Islamist" was Joanna Paraszczuk (see here). Paraszczuk is a generally reliable researcher about Jihadists from the Caucasus, and her work has been used as source for several newspapers and books - neverthless, she is not a well known expert outside her scientific niche. I fail to understand how the inclusion of her name (or that of other not well known experts) would inprove the hook in any way. Regardless, I already thought about an alternate hook, but frankly I could not find another fact that people with no or little knowledge of the Syrian Civil War would consider interesting. I thus think that we should simply end this - I fear that this DYK does not head toward a solution for the foreseeable future. Applodion (talk) 13:38, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg It appears that the nominator has lost interest in this moving forward; as such, I regrettably mark this for closure. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:59, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 25[edit]

Heaven for the nobles, Purgatory for the townspeople, Hell for the peasants, and Paradise for the Jews

Created by Pharos (talk) and Piotrus (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 11:24, 1 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg Article is new enough and long enough. So many sources are offline or in different languages that I will blanket AGF on them. It looks like everything is sourced inline. QPQ is done. Hook seems reasonably supported by the article and interesting. Didn't find any plagiarism or copyvio in a few searches. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:51, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New review needed for ALT1, which was suggested after the discussion at WT:DYK. Yoninah (talk) 16:17, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment. ALT1 is not correct. The controversy is about whether the time period can be called a Golden Age for Jews in Poland, or if that exaggerates the situation of the Jews. The controversy is not settled so don't go for one option in Wikipedia's voice. It might be better to go with something like the lead sentence at the Polish version of the page: "Heaven for the nobles, Purgatory for the townspeople, Hell for the peasants, and Paradise for the Jews is a proverb sarcastically describing the society of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth." That sticks to the facts. Please read about the multiple meanings of the proverb here. Then consider whether, with the current worries about anti-semitism in Poland, you want to put this proverb on the main page. StarryGrandma (talk) 01:27, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
  • I am totally ok with ALT2 as proposed by StarryGradnma, I just hope it's not too long. It should contain no controversial facts, nor be in inappropriate tone. For referencing purposes, it is described as a proverb here: [1], and as satirical, here: [2], and neither of those two terms have been disputed on talk. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:59, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Note that the Polish wiki article was created (by Piotrus) after this one was created and was edited by Piotrus and one other editors (this edit). There are still serious NPOV issues with the article (and reverts to keep the tag out), and notability/OR concerns for the full phrase (e.g. - the title of the article (present in the hook) - the phrase in this form is not present in any English language source covering this antisemitic proverb). As for what this means, this is - an "anti-Semitic phantasm" per this, a "pasquinade" that is "saying that Jews had it “too good.”" per [3], "'17th-century polemic concept condemning the rampant prevalence of infidels" per [4]. As for modern POV - Piotr Wróbel clearly makes clear the various viewpoints around this - On the one hand, most Poles firmly believe that Poland has always been one of the most tolerant countries in the world and that antiSemitism has existed only on the margins of Polish society. As far as they are concerned, there has been no such phenomenon as Polish anti-Semitism, for Poland has always been a true paradisus Judeorum. On the other hand, most Jews, especially those on the American continent and in Western Europe, claim that Poland is one of the most anti-Semitic countries in the world. Jews have often shared the former Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir's belief that virtually all Poles received their anti-Semitism "with their mothers' milk."[5]. This is not merely an "exaggeration" - it was a call for action against the relative (still overall wretched [6]) safety of Jews in Poland (until 1648) vs. the rest of Europe - the "paradise" being the relative lack of persecutions. Icewhiz (talk) 06:11, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
    Icewhiz, with all due respect, what is the point of your rant? Nobody except you supports either the POV or OR claims. You haven't even clearly suggested what POV issues are in the article, as in, you haven't said 'this claim is not-neutral, and this other claim is missing'. We have added the relatively fringe claim (by a minor scholar, in a minor journal) that the expression "Paradise for Jews" is anti-semitic, but it is clear as day that a ton of other scholars and media sources are using it and nobody thinks it is a major issue. Anyway, this is an issue to be discussed on artice's talk, where, I'll note, nobody supports you (so yeah, the tags removed from the article because you are in minority). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:59, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
    I presented 4 sources above, not one, demonstrating the NPOV issue here (here's another - " its title is taken from an anti-Jewish text, which claims that the good living conditions Jews enjoyed in Poland were something that should change" [7]). As for "nobody supports you" -this was pulled from the DYK queue for this reason. You yourself removed the various tags (e.g. here) - without consensus on the talk page for doing so.Icewhiz (talk) 07:17, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
    All the issues / sources you have raised here have been discussed on article's talk, where nobody supports you. Many of your sources and arguments HAVE been incorporated into the text, through there is no consensus for the tags you've added, as nobody besides you wants them re-added - likely because, again, all the issues you've raised have been incorporated in the article. If you dissent against the consensus, well, there's no veto power on Wikipedia, through as I noted on your talk page, you are more than welcome to edit the article yourself. I encourage you, again, to edit the article, as well as to propose a hook that you'd think would be more neutral, if you have concerns about proposed hook ALT1 or ALT2. PS. Since you quote from [8], I will note that your quote is sadly out of context. Interested readers would be well advised to take a look at the entire page 12 of the pdf. To put this in broader context: "...formulated in this manner, the accusation that the authors of the Polin exhibition have not taken into account “modern historical studies,” ignores the immense research fndings and the latest achievements of Jewish historiography... Emblematic here is the criticism against one of the most distinguished experts on the history of Jews in Poland in the modern period, Moshe Rosman. He was accused of “Polinizng” the history of Jews in Poland by promoting a false and ideologized version of it with the myth of Poland as a “paradise of tolerance.”" Long story short, the academic debate about this topic, as well as whether this phrase is anti-semitic, or much more nuanced, is ongoing, and any attempt to simply it is not helpful. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:48, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
    There is no disagreement in the academic literature that the full phrase is highly antisemitic. There are however uses of the sub-phrase "Paradisus Judeorum" which are not. As for discussion on the article talk page on POV, I believe it was limited to me and you, and that you yourself removed the tag - despite there being a clear lack of consensus (1 vs. 1) regarding POV. I chose not to engage in edit warring over the tag, despite the removal of the tag being highly irregular. The article has severe NPOV and notability (for the full phrase) issues. Icewhiz (talk) 07:17, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
    That's your OR not backed up by any sources. A single scholar has stated that the two-word part of the proverb, "Jewish Paradise" is antisemitic. Nobody else said this, clearly, about the proverb or that part, instead numerous scholars use it without any reference to anything but the Golden Age of Jews in Poland. Ex. this is Gershon Hundert's use of the proverb and discussion of the related topic Paradisus Judaeorum: A central theme of this paper will be my attempt to diffuse some of the darkness, lachrymosity and sense that the experience of Jews in Poland was of unending pogrom and persecution. I shall argue that this is a story characterized by light and not darkness, by life and not death. If one had to choose a single word to reflect the experience of Jews in Poland, it would be vitality. That and an indomitably positive sense of self. The Polish Jewish community was vibrant, creative, proud and self-confident: sevurim hem deyabashta hava veleika galuta, they thought they were on dry land and not in exile. Their neighbours knew this as well, referring to Poland as Paradisus Judaeorum, rajem dla Zyd6w. The full expression went: 'Poland is heaven for the nobility, hell for the peasants and paradise for Jews'.[4] This is hyperbole of course, but I am emphasizing the brighter side as a corrective to the predominant popular image of the Jewish experience in Polish lands, which seems to me altogether too dismal and to be profoundly coloured by events in the twentieth century. This is my primary goal; my secondary purpose is to complicate your perception. Hundert, Gershon David (1997). "Poland: Paradisus Judaeorum". Journal of Jewish Studies. 48 (2): 335–348. doi:10.18647/2003/JJS-1997. ISSN 0022-2097. Nothing about anti-semitism of the proverb in his discussion. This is the representative use and discussion of the proverb, not the pretty recent and fringe accusation of a single scholar (Janicka) that it is antisemitic. Feel free to publish a paper that it is a "highly antisemitic saying", then we will have a source to consider. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:07, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment 2 To spell this out more clearly: This Polish proverb comes from the period of increasing feudalism in Poland, with the nobility taking over control of towns and land, worsening conditions for everyone else. It was not meant kindly for either the nobility or the Jews. The proverb links the Jews with the oppressors of the Polish people. At a time of increasing Polish antisemitism I suggest we NOT put this on the main page. StarryGrandma (talk) 08:59, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
  • @StarryGrandma: Please note that WP:NOTCENSORED. If an article is neutral, and the hook is neutral, and the article is eligible, there are no reasons not to put this on the front page. The article is now doing a better job explaining some controversies and issues about this proverb, which should help educate the readers about some aspects of antisemitism. Talking about such issues is better than ignoring them. In fact, I am surprised that my ALT1 hook proposal has not been endorsed by those wary of antisemitic POV, as it explicitly draws attention to this very issue, by pointing out that the proverb is not exactly neutral.==Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:48, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
  • If we are to place a highly antisemtic Polish saying on the main page - quoted in full - it is not sufficient to say it is "exaggerated" or "sarcastic" - we should explicitly spell out that this was an antisemitic polemic saying.Icewhiz (talk) 07:21, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
  • With the note that you are the only person in the world calling this 'a highly antisemitic Polish saying', I am open to reviewing your proposed hook. Just please make sure any claims you make in it are sourced. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:01, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Piotrus, Wikipedia is not censored, which is exactly why there are whole categories of articles that never appear on the main page and of images that will never be chosen as featured picture of the day. In this case it is because the topic is currently sensitive and will remain so. And, while in the queue, an American gunman murdered 11 people in a synagogue. The timing would have been unfortunate if the DYK had appeared on Nov 8, so soon afterward. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:37, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
  • @StarryGrandma: I lived in Pittsburgh, I know people who knew people who died there, and I still see no connection between publishing a hook related to Jews and this. There are limits to political correctness, and again, fortunately, Wikipedia is not censored. That said, it is likely this hook won't be on Main Page till December. And in either case, I doubt anyone would really make associations like that, particularly as the anti-semitism in this proverb is very slight. It is a simple exaggeration, and that's a far cry from hate. (Of course, anything can be abused, but this is not our fault). The proverb has been used much more in bening contest than in hate speech; in fact nobody has even shown an example of it being used in modern times in hate speech. You yourself just found a reference I quote above where this proverb is used in a positive context, as reference to vitality of the Jewish culture of the Golden Age of Jews in Poland period. It is exactly this positive association that we should focus on. Instead of worrying about sending a wrong message, we should focus on sending the right one. Something like with an alt that would say that "one of the meanings of the proverb is to reference the Golden Age of Jews in the Middle Ages".--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:07, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • @StarryGrandma: I like to think that the article that I started is not such toxic antisemitism bait. I think quality articles on Polish-Jewish history are a good thing for the world still, and this is not one of the tropes that has been exploited by the current wave of hate.--Pharos (talk) 05:34, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg I would pull this nomination. There's an RM going on for the page, as well as a neutrality discussion on the Talk page. Concerns were also expressed at the DYK Talk page here: [9]. It's not suitable for mainpage at this time. --K.e.coffman (talk) 01:11, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
  • I strongly disagree with any suggestion this topic is not legible for a DYK. We should of course wait for RM to finish, as well as to make sure that there is no edit warring and that the article is stable. Unless the topic is deleted, there is no reason for it not to be DYKed, after suitable delay that ensured the article and hook are free of problems. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:48, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
  • If the RM is not successful, and the article continues to be on this full phrase which is lacking viable sources (as opposed to the narrower "Paradisus Judeorum" concept which is covered in a secondary manner) - I intend to take this to AfD as a NOTDICTIONARY and GNG fail. Icewhiz (talk) 07:17, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Shrug. There's no deadline, so if you want to waste the community's time with an AfD on that (which is likely, given the RM doesn't have much support), sure. This DYK can wait a few weeks for those issues to be resolved. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:00, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
  • NPOV Fail - When editors remove the anti-semitic context of this saying - The term Paradisus Judaeorum [Paradise for Jews] has been present in Polish culture since the 17th century. It comes from an anonymous text expressing anti-gentry and anti-Jewish sentiments, which was published in Latin in 1606 and titled Paskwiliusze na królewskim weselu podrzucone [Lampoons planted at the royal wedding party]. The anonymous writer uses the phrase Paradisus Judaeorum to express his conviction that Poland is ruled by Jews and that they enjoy excessive privileges - from a cited reference [10] supporting the stmt (in a passage filled with 17th, 18th, and 19th century references) - we are repeating hate speech in Wikipedia's voice without context. Icewhiz (talk) 06:20, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
    • This claim wasn't removed - you duplicated it, it was already and is still present in the article, in another section. But your attitude towards a normal copyediting edit ("ITS TRYING TO HIDE ANTISEMITISM") is a good illustration of the issue here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:37, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
      • When anti-X (semitism/Jewish) appears in the article not in the lede, not in the first section, but tucked somewhere in the middle in an attributed manner - this is a shameful state for an article on 17th century hate speech, primarily known for being hate speech. Icewhiz (talk) 07:50, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
        • This is because "17th century hate speech, primarily known for being hate speech" are your OR claims. It's not like anyone is preventing you from adding this claim to the lead - with reliable sources. You haven't done that. You can hardly expect we will add this claim to the article, referencing User:Icewhiz on Wikipedia... The lead does, of course, represent what the sources say, i.e. " The "Paradise for Jews" part of the proverb, which refers to the Golden Age of Jews in Poland,[5][6] has been criticized as exaggerating the position of Jews in the Commonwealth society, which was not that comparable to the most privileged class, the nobility." Not you, nor anyone else has disputed this characterization on article's talk. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:53, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment. If this phrase or any part of it was highly antisemitic, it wouldn't be used by POLIN Museum as the name of its exhibition for the Golden Age of Jews in Poland ([11]): In the Paradisus Iudaeorum gallery, visitors [...] will explore a large map of Jewish settlement in the Commonwealth, and will find out what religious tolerance meant in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, and why Poland came to be known as “Paradisus Iudaeorum” – a Jewish paradise Let's have some common sense here. Scholars agree it is an exaggeration, but exaggeration is not anti-semitism. A single scholar has made such a claim, dozens of others do not agree with such an association and the phrase continues to be generally used in the positive (Golden Age) context. A WP:FRINGE statement by a single scholar should not be taken with undue weight; other scholars noted before and after that is is an exaggeration, but that's making mountains out of molehills, and per sources cited in the article, usage of this phrase to refer to Golden Age is much more common that any discussion of antisemitism (again: only one scholar has called this phrase antisemitic, dozens of others have used it in a positive Golden Age context, and again, the POLIN Museum doesn't even think this issue needs any clarification on their webpage). And to further stress the fringiness of this view, see [12] which includes a review of her article (which got reprinted in a book), and the reviewer, Piotr Wróbel, says the following: "Janicka is not shy about presenting risky historical interpretations and claims". See the referenced discussion in the article for more details. Longer version is: Janicka, a minor if reliable scholar, has been very critical of the museum exhibition, and thinks it minimizes the issue of antisemitism. Other scholars have disagreed with her or taken a more neutral stance, and nobody repeated her assertion that this exhibit title/phrase is particularly problematic (i.e. antisemitic). As noted in [13]: "a heated debate surrounded the name of the gallery". One scholar called the name antisemitic, but one scholar's fringe opinion should not be given undue weight, even if one Wikipedian seems to be fixated on it. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:49, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg It meets the requirements for DYK, article is neutral, and so is the hook. Support ALT2 for the hook as it's most hook-y. The objections appear to be spurious and may be motivated by personal issues between Icewhiz and other editors. Volunteer Marek 22:57, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg I have reverted the promotion to a preparation area as per discussions at Wikipedia talk:Did you know. Flibirigit (talk) 05:40, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
Comment This saying does not belong bolded on Wikipedia's front page. And for God's sake it's almost Chanukah. That would be pretty, eh? valereee (talk) 12:54, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
Why not? It's a Polish Jewish history topic about a saying that despite claims to the contrary is NOT controversial (find me a single newspaper piece that says it is... instead of the dozen+ presented that use it without a second thought to refer to the Golden Age of Jews in Poland). In fact, it would be a very good Chanukah DYK, since it is a good time to display hooks related to Jewish topics. And it would be good if people would stop with the WP:INDONTLIKEIT. Again, no media source has ever been critical of this saying, instead it is used to remind people of the Golden Age of the Jewish history. If anything is antisemitic here, it's not the saying, it is an attempt to censor the Jewish history topics of the front page. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:31, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
From the article: 'The author of the 1606 pasquinade is unknown, through it has been suggested by Stanisław Kot that it was created by a Catholic townsman, perhaps a priest, jealous of the nobility and the Jewry. Konrad Matyjaszek has described the 1606 work as "expressing anti-gentry and anti-Jewish sentiments"' It has nothing to do with me liking it or not. I'm happy to have Jewish history on the front page, and the topic certainly deserves an article. I'll take it on good faith that the article has been sourced from neutral historians with a variety of viewpoints, and that their analysis has been represented fairly by its editors. My concern is that it this proverb has antisemitic roots, and that makes it as inappropriate for the front page as any other derogatory phrase for a group of people valereee (talk) 12:56, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 2[edit]

Wilhelm Kempf (bishop)

Relief bust of Wilhelm Kempf
Relief bust of Wilhelm Kempf

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 08:03, 2 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Good article that reads well. I've only made a couple of minor style tweaks. Checklist: hook validated directly from www.limburg.de source, ☑Y, length ☑Y, timescale ☑Y, sufficiently referenced, albeit some taken in good faith ☑Y, structure and style ☑Y. As far as I'm concerned this is good to go. Bermicourt (talk) 20:09, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg Hello, I came to promote this, but perhaps the hook could be rewritten to make it snappier? It doesn't seem that clear right now, particularly the part that says "introduced the changes of the Second Vatican Council in which he took part". Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:39, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Not sure what you mean, - could you make a suggestion? My try (and sorry that I am not gifted with snappyness):
ALT1: ... that Wilhelm Kempf (pictured), Bishop of Limburg from 1949 to 1981, took part in the Second Vatican Council, and introduced its changes in his diocese?
The council changed the church's view on/of itself dramatically, but tough to say that in few words. Or could you? Or someone watching? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:53, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
The hook seems to imply that it was Kempf who proposed the changes done in Vatican II (as in during the council itself), which is contrary to what the article says (which merely says that he introduced the Vatican II changes in Limburg). As for ALT1, I don't think it works since Vatican II was implemented throughout the Catholic world and thus being the one to introduce it in a diocese is not uncommon (disclosure: I'm Catholic so I'm actually familiar with Vatican II and the changes implemented because of it). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:11, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that Wilhelm Kempf (pictured), Bishop of Limburg from 1949 to 1981, took part in the Second Vatican Council?
No room to say that he enthusiastically introduced the changes, and was criticised for it, while others may have done only what they had to. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:40, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
@Bermicourt: Thoughts on ALT1 and ALT2? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 20:53, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
I like the source which says: "Bishop Wilhelm Kempf carried the ethos [from the end] of the Second Vatican Council, of which he was one of five sub-secretaries, to his Diocese, which - although small in area and numbers - soon set an outstanding example [in terms of the reforms]." I wonder if part of that could be woven into a hook? Just trying to help. Bermicourt (talk) 18:37, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt, Narutolovehinata5, this has been sitting for over a month. Where does this stand now, and whose response is needed at this point? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:51, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
I was happy with the original hook, but Narutolovehinata5 wasn't and so Gerda and he or she suggested some alternatives. I wasn't convinced so I cited a source directly which I felt could be used and left the ball in Narutolovehinata5's court. To move this along, here's another suggested hook based on that source: Bermicourt (talk) 18:29, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
ALT3: ... that Wilhelm Kempf (pictured), Bishop of Limburg from 1949 to 1981, set an outstanding example in introducing the reforms of Vatican II to his Diocese?
I struck the original, as it was explained that it's not clear whether he took part in the Council or the changes. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:05, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
@Bermicourt: I kind of like ALT3 but the hook fact isn't explicitly mentioned in the source. @Gerda Arendt: , the "The church historian Friedrich Kempf [de] was his younger brother" statement lacks a footnote. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:50, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
Oh dear, wir drehen uns im Kreis... @Narutolovehinata5: I've reworded the lede in line with the hook which is explicitly mentioned in the first reference of the article which states: "Bischof Wilhelm Kempf trug die Aufbruchstimmung des Zweiten Vatikanischen Konzils, zu dessen fünf Subsekretären er zählte, ins Bistum, das - obwohl klein an Fläche und Katholikenzahl - schon bald eine herausragende Stellung gewann." The article is this one. Bermicourt (talk) 08:51, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
@Bermicourt and Gerda Arendt: Again, the hook fact is not in the article. Either the article needs to be reworded, or a new hook needs to be proposed here. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:15, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
I'd like to write in the article what is in a German source "er trug die Aufbruchstimmung des Konzils in seine Diöcese", but there's no good word for "Aufbruchstimmung", I asked translators and they come up with "enthusiasm", "departure", "awakening". None of them conveys "Stimmung" (=mood, atmosphere). "Aufbruch" - departure - literally means "break up". Help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
I am really sad that there's no English term for Aufbruchsstimmung. The best I find is "atmosphere for new beginnings", as if there were old beginnings. It's when crusts need to be broken to begin something new, - something like disruption ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:47, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
ALT4: that Wilhelm Kempf (pictured), Bishop of Limburg from 1949 to 1981, brought the sense of expectation from Vatican II into his Diocese, which soon became a leading light for the reforms? Bermicourt (talk) 18:33, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, but "leading light" is not in the article. Can we instead word that he took part in the Council? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
It's a translation of "herausragende Stellung". But only a suggestion. And I thought you wanted to include Aufbruchstimmung? Bermicourt (talk) 21:33, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
I'd think "outstanding" was better for "herausragend". Feel free to add it to the article, - I have a few other topics where I am behind. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:44, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
It's more literal, but I was trying to be more poetic. :) I'm running out of time as we're off to Germany shortly, but I'll try and look at it tonight. Bermicourt (talk) 07:44, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
First time I hear of "poetic" on DYK, - love it! Only, I'm afraid we are supposed to stay factual.
ALT5: ... that Wilhelm Kempf (pictured), Bishop of Limburg from 1949 to 1981, took part in the Second Vatican Council and introduced its changes in his diocese in an outstanding way? ... in an exemplary way? ... with enthusiasm?
... instead of "changes" perhaps "new concepts"? "drastic changes"? or what? - Have a god trip, Bermicourt? I'd have Christmas music recommendations for Idstein (8, 9, 24) and Wiesbaden (16, 25), if you are in that area. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Let me have a think about that. Well our family trip is not quite that cultured. I'm going to see my boyhood favourite football team, Borussia MG, play Stuttgart. And we're all going to the Christmas market in Düss. The cultural bit is more local: the BSO's New Year Concert. Bermicourt (talk) 19:43, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Actually I still like the vitality of ALT4 and think it faithfully reflects the spirit of Aufbruchstimmung and herausragende Stellung. Maybe we should utilise "groundbreaking" since that echoes Aufbruch both literally and figuratively. How about this modification:
ALT6: that Wilhelm Kempf (pictured), Bishop of Limburg from 1949 to 1981, brought the sense of expectation of groundbreaking change from Vatican II into his Diocese, which soon became a leading light of the reforms? Bermicourt (talk) 19:57, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Good ideas, but now we have four words (sense expectation groundbraking change) before we get to the Council, - a word (Council) I'd not want to miss. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:05, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
I think we've ended up with a bit of role-reversal here lol. You're supposed to suggest the hooks and I'm supposed to comment and, hopefully, approve them! I'm sorry, I was trying to be helpful, but maybe I'm just muddying the waters. So I'll stop now and let you make the running! (but don't worry, I'm on your side, honest). GB. Bermicourt (talk) 21:06, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg no problem, it happens - also to me - when you get engaged with a topic. New reviewer: we have six ALTs to look at, and the article, nothing else ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:52, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg Well, well, well. I'm quite undecided between ALT3 and ALT6 but I guess I'll go with ALT3. :) Off to the preppy please. VincentLUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 05:46, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
Thank you! ALT3 please, because ALT6 has parts that are not (yet at least) in the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:19, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg @Gerda Arendt and Vincent60030: Pulling, with due apologies. I think the current hook strays too far from neutral encyclopedia language. I'd be fine with just saying "introduced the reforms"; but "set an outstanding example", or the equivalent, requires also saying from whose perspective that was true; it's too heavy an editorial voice, otherwise. I would have swapped in one of the alts, but there's a similar issue with those. Vanamonde (talk) 21:26, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
    Did you read the above? I didn't suggest it, you have many choices, such as ALT1. - While you pulled I added to the article, supporting it ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:31, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
    Symbol voting keep.svg @Gerda Arendt: My apologies, I missed ALT1 (the others had the same problem as the one I pulled). I'm not going to replace this immediately, because I'm thinking it might make a good picture hook for the next prep. Restoring tick per previous review. Vanamonde (talk) 22:14, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
    Fine, just that - as suggested on DYKTALK - I'd prefer a photo of an exemplary Wikipedian to a plant (in prep 4), and also to bronze. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:27, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
    Symbol question.svg Sorry, reversing this yet again as Yoninah has expressed reservations about ALT1. Yoninah, any suggestions? Also, Gerda, while you're at it, could you fix the unsourced sentence at the end of the first paragraph in the body? Vanamonde (talk) 22:43, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
    yes --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:56, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

The Nature of Prejudice

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 11:25, 2 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg -- there is work to do here. For starters, it would be nice to have sections. And the book cover. Second, it needs a copy edit; I made a few obvious ones, but I note that the third paragraph starts with a grammatical error. In the second note the book title needs to be italicized; etc. Oh, the claim in the last sentence needs to be ascribed to someone; we can't be saying it I suppose a summary of the book isn't mandatory, but it would be nice--it's what we expect from a book article. Now, the hook is verified, the article is new enough and long enough and I smell no plagiarism, but it needs serious cleanup. Drmies (talk) 21:56, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Why I don't disagree with you, the issues you are raising are IMHO irrelevant to the DYK (now, if this was a WP:GAN, you'd be dead right). Quality issues like this are not part of the DYK requirements. I am of course happy if people would like to expand things, but I don't believe it is necessary. Btw, I don't see the grammar error. Also, I don't see the need for attribution (the sentence is cited, after all). Lastly, academic books don't have plot summary sections, the content of the book is already summarized. I guess we could add a chapter list? PS. I did add an infobox (through again, it is not required for a DYK; it's not like I am self-assessing this article any higher than start, maybe C-class...). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:35, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Piotrus, we've danced this dance before. I'm happy you wrote this up, it's important, but if we're putting it on the front page it should be representative of our quality. The grammar error is in "Describing the book significance"--needs to have a genitive for "book". I didn't say "plot summary", I said summary, and the only thing the article says about the book is the one sentence about some scale. The rest is all caught up inside reviewers' remarks. Having a summary is a Good Thing. I don't care about the infobox, BTW, though lots of people do. And the attribution, that is necessary. That it's cited is beside the point: what matters is that an opinion is cited ("One of the reasons for its success"), and it may be a very reasonable and well-argued opinion, but it's not a fact. Thus, attribution. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:16, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Drmies Yes, we danced this indeed, and as I am sure I said it before, your standards are too high for DYK. If you see a grammar error, please fix it. I am not a native speaker and occasionally I don't see them. I stand by what I said - all your other requests, while all beneficial to the article (except the attribution, which I say is not needed through harmless) are not required for this to be on the front page. If you have a problem with that, try changing DYK requirements/guidelines. Ping User:BlueMoonset for 3O. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:34, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
    Well, I am not a native speaker either, and I'm not your copyeditor. Yngvadottir, thank you so much for looking over the article, and for the attribution--which of course is necessary, given NPOV. Good day Piotrus. Drmies (talk) 13:50, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed; check should include whether the article still needs a copy edit. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:30, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
I looked, and don't think we can have a book article not saying (besides the lead which should be a summary) who wrote it when and why and about what. All reviews are interesting only in relation to that. - Formally, under a section header, a person's name should be repeated, so probably also a book's. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:30, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
Added a sentence on author/date in the main body. I don't recall any source discussing why the author chose this topic, I am afraid. (Probably he found in interesting, like most authors writing about whatever they chose...). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:36, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg There is work to do here.

  1. Article creation date and length are appropriate.
  2. The hook has issues. "Is considered a seminal work on prejudice" seems weasel-worded despite the citation. The hook should describe who viewed the book as seminal. Aspects of the book's content would make an even better hook, since they are more obviously neutral.
  3. The article's sources are reliable, but its neutrality has issues. Please clarify using reliable sources that the book was universally acclaimed from its publication, or describe major disagreements with and shortcomings of the book.
  4. Finally, please report your QPQ.

La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk) 04:02, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

@La comadreja: QPQ is already out there. I don't see the what is a neutrality issue. ALL reviews I've found are positive, and praise this work highly. I'd be happy to include critical reviews - if you could only point them out to me? I think given the level of praise cited, seminal is fine, but if you'd prefer, here is an alt:
ALT1: ... that the 1954 book The Nature of Prejudice is considered a classic that defined the field of intergroup relations?
It should also address the issue of saying more about the book contents through its link to intergroup relations.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:30, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
How about a slightly different wording: ... that the 1954 book The Nature of Prejudice is considered by social psychologists to have defined the field of intergroup relations? --La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk) 17:08, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
@La comadreja: Hmmm. The thing is, I am reasonably sure people from other branches of social sciences would also consider it as such. That said, I checked and both Pettigrew and Katz seem to be social psychologists as is Laurie A. Rudman. Dovidio is, however, in a department of psychology (not just social). Glick's official title is just a professor of social sciences ([14]) through of course sp is a major area of his expertise. I am not opposed to your proposed change, but I do want to caution you that the hook as proposed, while linking to social psychology (which is nice), could also be creating the false impression that the book is not recognized as important outside this narrow field. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:49, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
Sure. How about ... that the 1954 social psychology book The Nature of Prejudice defined the field of intergroup relations?
Nice, do you think we can add the word classic? Consider ALT2: --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:55, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that the 1954 social psychology book The Nature of Prejudice is considered a classic that defined the field of intergroup relations?

Articles created/expanded on October 3[edit]

Lapa do Santo

View from the rockshelter entrance
View from the rockshelter entrance
  • ALT1 that Lapa do Santo, in Minas Gerais, Brazil, has evidence of human occupation around 12,000 years ago, as well as the oldest recorded case of decapitation in the Americas? Source: [16] [17]
Reviewed The Sensorites

Created by Strauss MAE-USP (talk). Nominated by Mike Peel (talk) at 21:51, 3 October 2018 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg epicgenius (talk) 01:15, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: Thanks for the review. Can you have another look? I've proposed a longer hook, ALT1, above. @Strauss MAE-USP: has added references. The similar phrases look minimal to me, are there particular ones you think need rewriting? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:58, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
@Strauss MAE-USP and Mike Peel: ALT1 looks much better. I definitely might be interested by the first recorded decapitation in the Americas. So you have my thumbs up for that one. I really only have three concerns with copyvios, and here they are:
  • "the reduction of the body by means of mutilation, defleshing, tooth removal, exposure to fire and possibly cannibalism, followed by the secondary burial of the remains according to strict rules" - possibly unattributed direct quote
  • "the oldest case of decapitation in the New World" and "were filled with disarticulated bones of a single" - these phrases are too close to the quoted text, even a paraphrase would be good.
  • "three distinct periods of human occupation" - same as above from this source.
That's all of the phrases I was concerned about. Now for the sourcing:
  • "The rockshelter and the archaeological site" doesn't have any sources. A general rule of thumb is to aim for at least one source per paragraph.
  • "Mobility" still doesn't have any sources.
  • The ends of many paragraphs don't have sources. In some cases only the first sentence has a source. On the other hand, all of the references look reliable and authoritative. My issue is with the placement of the sources. Could you move them to the end of the paragraph?
That's all of the outstanding DYK issues. Now going off on a few personal style nitpicks:
  • Although not necessary, I'd also suggest cleaning up this article to comply with some MOS guidelines. For instance, putting the periods before the references.
  • I'm concerned that there are way too many images in this article (there are 231 in total, but only about 4 thumbnail images, the rest are in galleries). WP:NOTGALLERY. Have you considered creating a gallery on Commons?
Sorry to bother you with all these issues. I know it sounds like a lot, but from the looks of it, this article probably does not need that many modifications to get it into good shape for DYK. On a personal note, I am impressed by Strauss MAE-USP's work on this article with over 25 kB of prose size. Maybe this can be nominated as a good article later. epicgenius (talk) 17:59, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
@Epicgenius: sorry for the delay in following this up. I've sorted out the copyvio issues, and quickly checked through the style formatting. I don't think that a gallery on commons would be useful (they fell out of style on Commons quite a while back now), although I'd agree that there are too many pictures here right now. I started this nom after seeing @Strauss MAE-USP's work here, I don't know the subject myself, so I can't help with improving the referencing so much. Maybe @Joalpe: can help there? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 06:51, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
@Mike Peel: It's OK. I'm still monitoring this nomination. So far it doesn't look like there has been much activity on the page since I last commented. I'll give it a few more weeks before I ask someone else to look at this. epicgenius (talk) 14:02, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
@Mike Peel, Strauss MAE-USP, and Joalpe: Has there been any progress on this article? I know that the comments above might seem like a lot, but there are really only three or four outstanding issues. Otherwise I'm going to ask for another reviewer's opinion. epicgenius (talk) 01:43, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Symbol delete vote.svg This has been stalled for around 2 months and nominators have not returned with updates. VincentLUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 13:00, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 15[edit]

Enclave law

Created by Onceinawhile (talk). Self-nominated at 09:32, 15 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Comment:This clearly not true as it applies to Palestinians as well for example minimum wage. --Shrike (talk) 10:08, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Your statement is incorrect. Per the source provided by Icewhiz below, "a 2008 high court ruling that Israeli labor laws apply to relations between Palestinian workers and Israeli employers in settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem". So Palestinians are not covered by these laws unless they are within the Israeli settlement enclaves. Onceinawhile (talk) 13:21, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
  • (ec) Hook issues - there are three issues with the hook. The first is that "Enclave law" is an informal term always or almost always scare-quoted in sources (including the source cited above) - there is no single "enclave law" - it is a very large amalgamation of legislation (that applies Israeli code, e.g. the income tax, on Israeli residents of the Area) and military orders (that extends Israeli legislation to areas under the military commander). Second - saying this "applies only to Israeli settlers" is incorrect - even per the simplistic source cited this also applies to Israeli settlements. For instance, Israeli labour law applies to Palestinian workers in settlements and industrial zones - e.g. And for the roughly 3,300 Palestinians who work in Barkan, the appeal is clear. They are treated equally in the workplace, earning the same salaries and benefits as their Israeli counterparts under Israeli law.NYT or Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for 2011. Third - not all Israeli civil law applies - but large portions - see this source, for examples see - this and this for examples of legislation that do not apply. Icewhiz (talk) 10:17, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
See amended version below, reflecting Icewhiz’s points. Onceinawhile (talk) 13:24, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
I would suggest -
The stmt of "only within Israeli settlements" is incorrect - e.g. Amira Hass who resides in Ramallah is liable for Israeli income tax (as well as other legislation (usually - obligations) applied to Israeli citizens in the area) as it applies to any income of an Israeli citizen in the Area (is also explicitly includes area A) - income tax code, clause 3A. Icewhiz (talk) 13:39, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
This is a good improvement, thanks. Two points:
(1) Under your revised formulation of both Israeli residents and settlements, the word “only” can now be correctly added back.
(2) I haven’t seen a source for the word “process” here, unless applied to the “pipelining” method discussed in the article. So we could say “through a process of pipelining of Enclave law...”
Onceinawhile (talk) 14:09, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Point 1 - I would avoid "only", as it may be imprecise in other regards (e.g. some possible aspects of roads in area C come to mind) and I don't think it would clear with such wording that portions of Israeli law applies to Palestinians when they are in israeli settlements/zones. As for point 2 - I am not married to "process" (which is also somewhat imprecise) - however I do take issue with "Enclave laws" or "Enclave law" as an entity - there is no such entity at present and hasn't been - what there is (and one of the sources used "pipelining" for only one aspect of this - the military ordinances) is a hodgepodge of Israeli legislation applying obligations to Israeli citizens/residents in the area as well as military ordinances ("pipelines") applying copies of the Israeli law to areas under the authority of the military commander. Rubenstein (who is the original for this quote) described the resulting situation as "enclave law". "enclave law" refers to the situation created by the amalgamation of legislation - but not to the legislation itself (e.g. see the example I linked to from the tax law [18] - at a random point in 1978 the Knesset applied this specific bill to Israeli residents/citizens in the Area by adding a very small clause to bill (they then fixed this in 1994 to clarify the situation due to Oslo, and also updated following unrelated tax changes (e.g. the move from territorial taxation to worldwide personal taxation in 2002). On the VAT bill - [19] - they added a similar clause - but at a different random point in 1986 (and again, updated in 1994 due to Oslo). We could perhaps refer to a resulted in a situation of "Enclave Law" ? Icewhiz (talk) 14:43, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Lest I be accused of OR above - per Israeli police traffic enforcement guide (page 3 in the PDF) - enforcement in Area C vs. Palestinian citizens is exactly the same as in Israel with the exception of changing the law/ordinance name (פקודת התעבורה turns into צו בדבר התעבורה (יהודה ושומרון) - and "תקנות התעבורה" turns into "תקנות התעבורה (יהודה ושומרון)" - however clause numbering is the same. Icewhiz (talk) 15:28, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
OK. Your “resulted in” formulation would require a restructuring of the sentence - do you have something in mind? Onceinawhile (talk) 17:32, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
How about -
ALT1 ... that Amnon Rubinstein coined the term "Enclave law" to describe the application of large portions of Israeli civil law to Israeli settlements in the Occupied Palestinian territories?
ALT2 ... that the term "Enclave law" has heen used to describe the application of large portions of Israeli civil law to Israelis and Israeli settlements in the West Bank?
The first follows the description in ACRI of what Rubenstein wrote in 87. The second is more contemporary.Icewhiz (talk) 18:53, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Either fine with me. It would be nice to end ALT1 with "in place of the word apartheid", using the two sources at the bottom of the article, but something tells me you might object to that!
A DYK reviewer is best placed to decide between the two options. Onceinawhile (talk) 20:20, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Tying in Jeff Halper's or Jonathan Cook's opinions onto Rubenstein would be a BLP issue vs. Rubenstein. Both are probably undue in the article regardless. But I'm happy we're at agreement regarding the hook.Icewhiz (talk) 21:17, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer requested. Onceinawhile (talk) 20:23, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg Currently, there is an outstanding merge proposal and multiple cleanup tags in the article. Given the sensitivity of the topic, strongly recommend resolving them before asking for another review. Catrìona (talk) 20:32, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
@Catrìona: Hi Catriona, the clean up is now complete. The merge proposal did not gain consensus, and the tags have been resolved. Onceinawhile (talk) 08:42, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
General eligiblity:
  • New Enough: Green tickY
  • Long Enough: Red XN - Slightly over required 1500 characters readable prose, but I would consider this a stub. It just doesn't give much information.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Striking rejected hooks. Strongly recommend against the word "apartheid" which is highly/unecessarily controversial, even in terms of an analogy. Should it be "Enclave law" or "enclave law"? Catrìona (talk) 09:46, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Catrìona. I think lower case is better. Per readable prose, I will lengthen it from the sources. Onceinawhile (talk) 10:13, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
Please note the ongoing discussion at Talk:Enclave_law#Concept_vs_terminology_-_source_dispute. Onceinawhile (talk) 08:22, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg - Onceinawhile, given that the article has been moved to Israeli law in the West Bank settlements, please propose updated or new hooks that incorporate the new name. Best, Mifter (talk) 02:06, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
alt1 and alt2 updated/trimmed -
  1. ALT3 ... that Amnon Rubinstein coined the term "enclave law" to describe Israeli law in the West Bank settlements?
  2. ALT4 ... that the term "enclave law" has heen used to describe Israeli law in the West Bank settlements?
Icewhiz (talk) 02:38, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
I support either of these proposal. I would like to suggest that Icewhiz and Shrike are also given DYK credit for this nomination, given their efforts in collaboration here. Onceinawhile (talk) 03:09, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 17[edit]


Created by Scope creep (talk). Self-nominated at 03:41, 17 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg--
  • Plagiarisation and Close paraphrasing is very-evident.
  • semi-acoustic instrument, with the sound being generated in the traditional way by striking strings is copied in toto from the source.
  • Although having no sound board, it was much lighter is copied in toto from the source.
  • Original research
  • Usage of the words:-- micro-hammer, eighteen microphones et cetera.
  • Many lines are un-sourced. They are (probably) sourced in some of the references but as much as inline cites are not required, it's optimum to use them.
  • Prose form is quite poor.
  • The Construction section starts with:--The was semi-acoustic instrument which is meaningless.
  • The Marketing section again starts with:-- Bechstein reportedly built 150 copies of which exist today which is meaningless.The same can be said about the last line:-- and was restored in 2007 at the technical Museum Vienna ready to play and is used for concert purposes.
  • The entire paragraph reads like a marketing brochure of the piano (viz The stop has been refined by the micro pounding...., This avoids the knocking noise...... et al).A lot trivial details ( that typically hit the string at a force of 5%....) are noted.
  • Additionally, the term neo-petrof is used out of nowhere and is not even wiki-linked/ explained at a foot-note.
  • I have no idea about the 4th source.
  • This can be improved, quite a lot.Use the press-reviews and exploit the many rigorous sources which mention it, without getting bogged down into trivialities.And above all, copy-edit whatever you have written till now. (I will try to invest my own efforts, if possible:-) )
  • On a note, I have not even bothered to find out about QPQ:-)WBGconverse 07:01, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks WBG. That was bit of a wake up call. I never realised it was so bad. Thanks. Is it possible to take each in turn,
  • I can get rid of the plagiarism by rewording.
  • Regarding mirco hammer, I took this from the image, No. 5, mikrohammer. I thought that would be self evident. I have explained mechanics.
  • The stop has been refined by the micro pounding, technical detail of the first electric piano.
  • 5% was what made it unique, and its mentioned in a few sources. Explained.
  • I have reordered it and tried to address the points raised. scope_creep (talk) 08:36, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
  • QPQ doesnt seem to apply, as this is my first DYK. scope_creep (talk) 13:44, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
  • @Winged Blades of Godric: @Scope creep: What is the status of this nomination? It has been one month since the nominator's last post. I glanced at the page and see just a block of text. Subheads are the first thing needed. You may wish to apply for copyediting help at WP:GOCE. Yoninah (talk) 20:05, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Yoninah I think this DYK can probably be closed. I submitted it far too early. I started the article very late at night when I was sleeping, and submitted it, when it still needed a lot of work. user:Winged Blades of Godric came in, reviewed the DYK and rewrote the article, which I thought was nice and really cool and I copy-edited later, and later still added sections as requested. I don't think DYK is for me, as I tend to take some time to create an article, usually months, e.g. Platt Report 1959. Thanks. Please close this. scope_creep (talk) 00:24, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • @Scope creep: actually, with your reorganization, the article looks in better shape now. I'd like to re-review it in a little while, as it seems Winged Blades of Godric has recused himself by rewriting the article. I have added him to the DYK co-credits. Yoninah (talk) 08:02, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
ok scope_creep (talk) 09:16, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • OK, I've gone over the article and added a few "citation needed" tags to information that needs to be sourced. I would also like you to suggest a new hook – something that will "hook" the reader's interest, not an explanatory sentence. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 16:55, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • I will update the article tomorrow. Yip, any help with the hook is cool. scope_creep (talk) 21:37, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Yoninah that is the citations added to the article as requested. There from a journal article, that discusses the design of the piano.scope_creep (talk) 16:28, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
To try and get this nom "unstuck", how about the following Alt?
ALT2 - ... that because the Neo-Bechstein electric grand piano was built without a sound board to dissipate energy, it was described as having "organlike expressive possibilities"?
Best, Mifter (talk) 06:24, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 21[edit]

Social entrepreneurship in South Asia

Created by Wickersong (talk). Self-nominated at 23:02, 21 October 2018 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - no
  • Interesting: Red XN - not really

QPQ: Red XN - not needed, users first DYK
Overall: Symbol delete vote.svg Beeblebrox (talk) 21:42, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg I’m concerned with the overall quality of the writing. There are several passages containing broken, unclear, or confusing language, and I have to agree with the tag regarding undue weight. This is certainly a valid topic for an article, but this article seems a bit narrow and focuses only on a few specific organizations. This does not necessarily disqualify from from DYK, but it isn’t optimal to have such an article featured on the main page. Also, please provide a source which directly verifies the hook. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:27, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Beeblebrox, I'm currently working on this for an educational assignment and so am in the midst of heavily revising this article. I will work to address the issues with writing quality as well as undue weight as I expand on this article and improve upon it. Hopefully then it can be optimal. I also fixed the hooks up a bit more to hopefully make it more interesting and added citations. How quickly do I need to revise this article to still have it up for consideration? Wickersong (talk) 23:15, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Once you’re “in the system” so to speak I think you’re good as far as timing, there isn’t really a deadline. Beeblebrox (talk) 04:22, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
  • @Beeblebrox: The nominator hasn't edited in over a week; have your concerns been addressed? If not, and/or the nominator doesn't return soon, I will mark this for closure. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:53, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
The hook and alt are now cited, so that’s half of it, but the article itself hasn’t been improved. I’m afraid they took my comment about timing a bit too literally, obviously it is expected that the issues will be fixed at some point but it looks as though they’ve walked away for now. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:51, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi all I am working on it today and over the next few days/this week to improve the article itself. I've been unable to work on it because of school. Happy to get any more feedback @Beeblebrox: and @Narutolovehinata5: as I revise. Will let you both know once I've reached a good point with this article. Wickersong (talk) 15:49, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
@Beeblebrox: and @Narutolovehinata5: I've revised the article quite a bit. Please review and let me know whether there's anything else I should fix in order to perfect my nomination for DYK Wickersong (talk) 16:04, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed; it has been over a month since the reviewer or (pinged) checker has been here. Reviewer should be sure to check previously raised concerns have been sufficiently addressed. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:58, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 23[edit]

Li Lianda

  • ... that pharmacologist Li Lianda claimed that a pharmaceutical company's product was unsafe, but lost a lawsuit brought by the company? Source: Sina Finance

Created by Zanhe (talk). Self-nominated at 05:28, 28 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg @Zanhe: Honestly I don't find the proposed hook interesting: it's very common for people to employees to claim that their employer's product or service is unsafe, and lose lawsuits. In fact, it's also common for people to lose lawsuits on claims about company safety. We may need a new hook here. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:50, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5: I respectfully disagree. Li Lianda was not an employee of the pharmaceutical company (Tasly), but one of China's best known pharmacologists and an academician. It's highly unusual for an academician to publicly denounce a major company's product and then lose an ensuing lawsuit. Please reconsider. -Zanhe (talk) 05:54, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
@Zanhe: The hook could have potentially worked if the company was internationally well-known, but alas. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:23, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: I still stand by the original hook, but since you're so insistent, how about:
  • ALT1: ... that pharmacologist Li Lianda won a national science award for his research on the traditional Chinese medical concept of blood stasis?
-Zanhe (talk) 07:06, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
That's actually a much better hook; at the very least, it would introduce readers to both traditional Chinese medicine and blood stasis. It's getting late where I live so I'll finish the review tomorrow. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:46, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: I hope you have not forgotten about this lol. You havent finished the review. VincentLUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 07:56, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, got busy with real-life matters. Will try to finish by tomorrow, but so far I don't see any problems with the article itself. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:12, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Reading through the article, it seems that the article meets the technical requirements: it's new enough, long enough, the sourcing is adequate (offline and Chinese sources accepted AGF), no close paraphrasing, stable, and with a QPQ. No image so no review needed for that. The part I'm worried about is his work on traditional Chinese medicine; as I'm inexperienced when it comes to the handling of alternative medicine in articles, so I don't know if the article conforms to the relevant guidelines. I'll leave a message at WP:FTN and if they give the go signal, I'll approve this. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:41, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: He researched traditional Chinese medical theories using scientific methods, just as Nobel Prize winner Tu Youyou did (who worked at the same China Academy of Chinese Medical Sciences as Li). This is not the same as the quack medicine practiced by "alternative therapists". -Zanhe (talk) 02:03, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 24[edit]

Dui Bigha Jomi

Rabindranath Tagore
Rabindranath Tagore
  • Reviewed: Doing...

Created by Titodutta (talk). Self-nominated at 07:17, 25 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg, new, copyvio ok, could be expanded and improved further. Once QPQ done, ok for dyk, picture okay. Hook is in article and sourced. Whispyhistory (talk) 22:08, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg - Length, Date, Cite, and Earwigs check. Image appears to be freely licensed as PD-Old. Titodutta, once a QPQ is done, this will be good to approve. Best, Mifter (talk) 04:47, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Titodutta - any update on a QPQ? Best, Mifter Public (talk) 05:18, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Vincent Toro

Created by Audreyspell (talk). Self-nominated at 19:47, 24 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The subject appears to be notable as the winner of an important poetry award, the Norma Farber First Book Award. (The Sawtooth Poetry Prize is not notable and should not be mentioned in the hook.) However, the sourcing in the article is mostly based on user-generated content (pw.org and kwelijournal.org) and there is no detail on his personal life or his notability, aside from what the page creator is writing in a promotional tone. At this time, the article does not meet Rule D7 IMO. The hook is also not the most interesting ("Did you know that X won the Y award?"). Image is freely licensed. No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits. Yoninah (talk) 21:11, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Audreyspell has not edited on Wikipedia since November 14. Meanwhile, another user has added more biographical information from a poetry program page. The article is still overly reliant on user-generated content and information provided by the subject or his agent. I have tagged the article for lack of reliable sourcing. Yoninah (talk) 17:31, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 25[edit]

1994 Gambian coup d'état

5x expanded by Ira.morga3 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:32, 25 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg @Ira.morga3: The article was nominated the day 5x expansion happened, so it meets the date criterion. I wasn't able to find any close paraphrasing. This is the nominator's first nomination so a QPQ is not required. Although I suppose both hooks are potentially interesting, I have concerns with both: for the first, I'm not sure if bloodless coups are really unusual as I'm aware it's happened before in other places. The second hook might be too obtuse for people unfamiliar with political science: it would be advisable to add a link to Waves of democracy in the said hook. Otherwise, both are cited inline: ALT0 reference is verified, while I can't access ALT1's source so for now it is accepted AGF. The article is of an appropriate length, but I would suggest that the "The Paradox to the Third Wave of Democratization" section be rewritten in a more neutral tone. As for the "The Paradox to the Third Wave of Democratization" claim itself, I would suggest that some background be written about it (i.e. who formulated that term, and in what context) as the term is discussed rather abruptly. I would also suggest that the "Coup" and "Discontent in the Gambia" sections be switched (i.e. "Discontent in the Gambia" comes before "Coup", to give background). This will be good to go once these issues have been addressed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:45, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 27[edit]

Gert Westphal

Katia and Thomas Mann
Katia and Thomas Mann
  • ... that when Gert Westphal recited works by Thomas Mann, his widow Katia (pictured with her husband) called him "des Dichters oberster Mund" (the poets principal voice)? Source: several

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 22:13, 4 November 2018 (UTC).

Worked on it, dropped a few that to know seems less relevant in English. I have a problem with Schallplattenkritik, because they have only an archive to search, and I am too stupid to find more than two. (it seems to go by year, but when I insert 2005, I get again to 2002, for example.) I am sure though the others are as correct. Help? I found referencing for some of our awards articles rather sad, I must say. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:27, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, please look again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:16, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
Seems to be better now. The article seems to meet all the requirements (new enough, long enough, good sourcing, no paraphrasing, QPQ, etc.), and I am accepting in good faith the German language sources. My only concern is the hook: what's the context of being called "poet's principal voice"? I think the hook could be reworded a bit better better. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:08, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
What she means is that when you hear the speaker you seem to hear the author, but it's not in the sources, because a German would understand it without explanation. - I appreciate alternatives, very generally so. English is not my native language, so I have a hard time struggling for something better, never quite sure how that will be understood. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:39, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt and Narutolovehinata5, might this wording come across more clearly?
ALT1 ... that after a reading where Gert Westphal recited works by Thomas Mann, his widow Katia (pictured with her husband) called him "des Dichters oberster Mund" (the poets principal voice)?
Best, Mifter (talk) 22:04, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Yes for me, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:06, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
@Mifter: Honestly no, as it did not address my initial concern, which involves the words "'des Dichters oberster Mund' (the poets principal voice)". Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:49, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, thanks for the input. Given it, I'm not sure I'm understanding your concern. Would you mind expounding a bit on it? Thanks, Mifter (talk) 01:15, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
@Mifter: To be frank, I don't see how being called "the poet's principal voice", especially of a poet who to be honest isn't really that well-known, is interesting to a broad audience. And even if it was, I don't think the German part is necessary, we could have just simply gone with "the poet's principal voice". But I'm starting to think that we may need to propose a new hook here. Narutolovehinata5 t
If people don't Thomas Mann, the more imortant to mention him, simply The German writer of the 20th century, Nobel Prize laureate, and lived in the US in exile. (Looking at his article stats: more views on a "bad" day than my average DYK, - so I don't believe "isn't really that well-known). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:14, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

ccsdnew 01:17, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification! When I was looking at the article earlier, it appeared that there is some material in the article that could be good for other hooks. I'll see what I can put together. Best, Mifter (talk) 01:22, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
ALT2 ... that literary critic Marcel Reich-Ranicki described Gert Westphal as "probably the best recitator in German"?
A slightly different angle. Gerda Arendt, I don't have access to the source nor do I speak German. Does this hook and its quote work for you? Also, Narutolovehinata5, any thoughts? Thanks, Mifter (talk) 01:34, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
That's a good hook for those who know the critic and thus know that he was The literay critic. (and much feared). Now we can of course say (again) that we don't have to lure others to that article ;) - I still prefer mine, of course, because 1) I love women being mentioned and pictured, 2) even more so in partnership, 3) I think Thomas Mann will be better known than RR, and put a time stamp on the whole thing. - I experienced Westphal once, live, and can support all the praise, unreliably so ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:06, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg - As I proposed ALT2, a new reviewer is needed to consider it and/or the original hook/ALT1. Best Mifter Public (talk) 05:23, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 28[edit]

Rosalinda González Valencia

Source: "En 1996 Rosalinda González Valencia se casó con el que se convertiría en el hombre fuerte del Cártel Jalisco Nueva Generación, Nemesio Oseguera Cervantes / [English]: "In 1996 Rosalinda González Valencia married the one who would become the strong man of the Jalisco Cartel Nueva Generación, Nemesio Oseguera Cervantes." (El Universal) [English] "Known as “El Mencho,” Oseguera has risen to become Mexico’s most-wanted drug lord after Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman was extradited to the United States last year to face trial." (Reuters)

Moved to mainspace by MX (talk). Self-nominated at 21:32, 29 October 2018 (UTC).

  • The hook really says nothing about her. Yoninah (talk) 00:14, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
  • I disagree. Either way, she's best known for being married to El Mencho. What do you suggest I do with the hook then? MX () 03:33, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
Although I suppose the hook is interesting, I see Yoninah's point. It implies that that's her claim to fame, as opposed to something that she did in her own right. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:53, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
From what I've gathered, being married to El Mencho is what she is best known for. The majority of the sources have esposa (English: wife) on the titles. That means her marriage with El Mencho is what the sources find most notable to describe her. The Latin American drug world is still very male-dominated, so I'm not surprised sources describe her like this on their titles. MX () 17:26, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
If being a spouse is what she's best known for, wouldn't that fall under WP:NOTINHERITED? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 20:19, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
No. She's received significant coverage for her suspected role in the CJNG as well (but sources always start by introducing her as El Mencho's wife, which brings us to my original point). If I were to propose a hook about her alleged criminal activities, this would get flagged on NPOV violations. I'm thinking we could also copy any of the hooks of her brother (except ALT0 and ALT4, which does not apply to her). Any thoughts? MX () 21:59, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
Honestly I'm not a fan of the hooks proposed here as they seem to focus more on other people than herself. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:00, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that the trial of Rosalinda González Valencia is held behind closed doors because the Mexican government is presenting sensitive evidences about a drug cartel? Source: [Spanish] "Los fiscales de la PGR solicitaron al juez Zeferín Hernández llevar la diligencia a puerta cerrada porque la secrecía de los datos que expusieron es clave para el éxito de la investigación que realiza contra el CJNG." / [English]: "Prosecutors from the PGR asked Judge Zeferín Hernández to take the trial behind closed doors because the secrecy of the data they exposed is key to the success of the investigation carried out against the CJNG." (El Universal)
  • ALT2 ... that Rosalinda González Valencia has 17 siblings, giving rise to their clan nickname "Cuinis", referring to a prolific local ground squirrel? Source: [Spanish] "Los Cuinis son un grupo delincuencial conformado por miembros de una misma familia que inició sus operaciones a principios de los 90 ... El sobrenombre de esta familia se debe a una ardilla de la zona a la que los lugareños conocen como cuiniki , su particularidad es que en cada parto suelen tener de 12 a 14 crías." / [English]: "The Cuinis are a criminal group formed by members of the same family that began operations in the early 90's ... The nickname of this family is due to a squirrel from the area that locals know as cuiniki, its peculiarity is that in each birth they usually have 12 to 14 offspring." (El Economista)
  • Here are two new hooks. Not sure if ALT1 is NPOV compliant, but that's the one I like the most. ALT2 is meh since it loses the impact of the previous hooks. Let me know what you think. MX () 14:53, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
The best option here might be ALT2, but it needs to be reworded as its flow is very abrupt. I don't like ALT1 as closed-door trials are not uncommon and in fact are the norm in some countries. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:01, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
Would you be kind enough to reword it the way you think it should be? Have no idea what you're talking about. Thanks, MX () 16:14, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
I'd probably drop the part about 17 siblings and instead focus on the clan nickname part. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:42, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Got it. At that point the impact of the hook is lost... MX () 16:38, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Or if you really want to do the 17 siblings part, you'd probably need to drop the squirrel nickname part instead and say something about the siblings as a whole. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:21, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
At that point we're stuck with Yoninah's initial concern that the hook says "nothing about her". Not sure what other hooks to suggest without being on the borderline of a NPOV / BLP violation. I'll be out of town in a week with no access to Wikipedia until 2019. Hopefully we can come to a resolution soon. MX () 23:27, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 2[edit]

Economic history of the Philippines under Ferdinand Marcos

Former Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos
Former Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos
  • ... that the Philippine economy under Ferdinand Marcos faced its first major economic crisis because of heavy government borrowing in the lead-up to Marcos' 1969 re-election campaign? Marcos assumed the presidency only in 1965, when things started to spiral downward in the late 1960s as existing policies no longer encouraged rapid growth. The would-be dictator then pursued an aggressive, expensive run for a second term by foraying into the public treasury to boost his campaign, buy votes and threaten voters. The peso crashed in late 1969, and by the dawn of the following year it lost half its value, Conrado de Quiros wrote in "Dead Aim." ....The 1960s crisis, for economists Arsenio Balisacan and Hall Hill, "was triggered by one politician's particularly shameless efforts to maintain a grasp on the reins of the political machinery. - Diola, Camille. "Debt, deprivation and spoils of dictatorship
    • ALT1:... that the Philippine economy under Ferdinand Marcos saw GDP go from nearly 9% growth in 1976, to a recession where the economy contracted by 7.3% for two years, 1984 and 1985? Source:Gross domestic product (GDP) growth peaked right after Marcos’s declaration of Martial law in 1972, reaching nearly 9 percent in 1973 and 1976, partly driven by a commodity boom when the prices of major Philippine commodity exports like coconut and sugar went up. However, it was also under Marcos when the country hit the worst recession in history: a 7.3-percent contraction for 2 successive years in 1984 and 1985, as his grip on power waned. - Guido, Edson Joseph; de los Reyes, Che (2017), "The best of times? Data debunk Marcos's economic 'golden years'", ABSCBN News and Public Affairs
    • ALT2:...that the nosedive of the Philippine economy under Ferdinand Marcos in 1983 traces its roots to debt-driven growth, mostly during Marcos' second term, and during the earliest years of martial law? Source: "This strategy of borrowing heavily was “peculiar to the Marcos period” and carried great risk, De Dios said. It “produced historically impressive growth,” but also “created the conditions for the big collapse later,” he added....The turning point came when the US entered a recession in the third quarter of 1981 and increased interest rates, bloating the cost of Philippine borrowings. Debt servicing then became very difficult for Manila, as with other debt-dependent countries in Latin America. The economy began to decline in 1981, proving debt-driven growth was unsustainable. The country’s exports at the time failed to keep pace with the ballooning debt. - Guido, Edson Joseph; de los Reyes, Che (2017), "The best of times? Data debunk Marcos's economic 'golden years'", ABSCBN News and Public Affairs

Created by Alternativity (talk). Self-nominated at 08:55, 7 November 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg - It appears the article was move to another name. Alternativity, can you please update the hooks to reflect the new title (if needed)? Thanks, Mifter (talk) 07:11, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
  • I have adjusted the links and the DYK template with the new page name. Yoninah (talk) 14:27, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 4[edit]

Oranges & Lemons (album)

  • ... that XTC's 1989 album Oranges & Lemons reimagines 1960s psychedelic music with modern instrumentation and technology? Source: "Partridge's ethos for this album appears to be a continuation of the Dukes Of Stratosphear aesthetic -- exploring the sound and colors of their '60s influences -- but he makes the unfortunate step of trying to filter it through modern instrumentation and technology." (link)
  • Comment: save for February 27, 2019 (the date of the album's 50th anniversary)

5x expanded by Ilovetopaint (talk). Self-nominated at 20:24, 10 November 2018 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Nominator's first nomination so no QPQ needed. Earwigs gives a >70% score but that's because of the quotations, that are cited inline. This will be good to go once the Singles section is sourced. Unfortunately, per the special occassion hook guidelines, special date requests should generally be made no more than six weeks before the requested date, and February 2019 is too far away. Thus, the request has to be respectfully declined. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:01, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

  • Done (removed the singles section) --Ilovetopaint (talk) 18:01, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Raising hands

  • ... that raising hands is a gesture common to slaves, statues and students? Source: "when slaves accompanied their masters to public events, they were required to hold their hand up if they needed to be excused" [20]Source: "The Solid Rock Church, a Christian megachurch, had a 19-metre tall statue named ‘King of Kings’, which depicted Jesus with his arms raised in the air." [21]Source: "One study on hand-raising illustrated that students almost always looked directly at the teacher when raising their hands, and only looked away just before lowering their hand." [22]

Created/expanded by Giselle136. Nominated by Fransplace at 02:27, 16 November 2018 (UTC).

  • NB: note to reviewer - it'd be nice if the seven-day rule could be relaxed as this was part of an educational program :) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:11, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg Detailed, well-sources article, no copyvio obvious. Hook: "common to slaves" - I first thought the hand was raised towards the slaves. s-s-s is nice, but how how about yoga and blessing? - Images in the article, I don't like beginning with Hitlergruß which comes late in history, and believe we would crucifixion images where we can see more raised hands. - A little overdue is no problem for me. Why no link to the nominator? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:52, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 5[edit]

Charlie McGeever

Created by Leitirlad (talk). Self-nominated at 10:34, 8 November 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article is new enough, long enough, stable, and neutrally written. Most of it is sourced, and the hook fact is cited inline and verified. No images so no comment on that. Nominator's first DYKN so no QPQ is required. However, some sentences and the entire "Honours" section lack footnotes. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:45, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Normally, I wouldn't be marking for closure a nomination relatively so soon after my review. However, the nominator has not edited since the day of the nomination (almost a month ago), and the sourcing issues require either him or another editor who is well-versed in football to fix. Taking into account the length of inactivity and the editor's editing pattern, it seems unlikely that they will be able to return soon enough for the problems to be addressed promptly. As such, I regretfully mark this nomination for closure. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:57, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg New hook contradicts the first one, though is basically the same, is almost too long (184 characters), and has too much info in it (3 hooks worth of facts). As well as being a bit plain. The referencing issue has been fixed (if just for deleting the Honours section). I'll propose an ALT hook for you to consider
ALT2 ... that Gaelic and association footballer Charlie McGeever used to be became a high school principal in the 2000s?
Kingsif (talk) 20:20, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
And that's not plain? As well as (possibly) inaccurate - no indication of a resignation or retirement. Leitirlad (talk) 23:17, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
ALT3 ... that former Gaelic footballer Charlie McGeever once trained with 1982 FIFA World Cup stars Villa, Hoddle and Ardiles at Tottenham?
No? Here's a famous footballer, he used to be a principal (without any suggestion of resignation or retirement) is quite interesting because most football players do nothing else. Your suggestion - that a football player, of all things, played football is just not interesting: the other players' prominence is irrelevant unless they're world famous, but people who aren't fans won't know them. It's not an interesting fact. I'll be happy to listen if you can come up with something better. Kingsif (talk) 23:24, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
Most football players do nothing else? Actually many Gaelic footballers are or have been principals. Examples include Colm O'Rourke Source Pat Spillane Source Éamonn Fitzmaurice Source Maurice Fitzgerald Source. All of these are much more high-profile than McGeever and won more during their playing careers. They have a total of 17 All-Ireland titles between them (the highest trophy available in their sport). Most players would be lucky to get one. Therefore it seems to me that it is your suggestion that is plain. Whereas I can think of no Gaelic footballer who has trained with two FIFA World Cup winners. Can you? Leitirlad (talk) 00:34, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
You're an expert in Gaelic football, most people don't know it exists. They'll see "football" and assume it's either American or association, even with the word Gaelic there they'll assume it works in the same way (few players have other careers). In any case, being an association football player it's not that surprising he has trained with players who have played in the World Cup. Look at this from an outside perspective, a hook saying, for example "this lacrosse player once trained with these other lacrosse players" seem in any way interesting? Kingsif (talk) 00:40, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 8[edit]

Bleed India with a Thousand Cuts

Created by DBigXray (talk). Self-nominated at 20:46, 14 November 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg - Looking at the article, I'm concerned as a number of the sources appear to be non-neutral (strongly pro-India) which then comes through in the article. I did a bit of cleanup but more is needed. DBigXray please see if we can find other neutral sources to add and use to bolster the article. Thanks, Mifter (talk) 01:24, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
To provide some examples that might require new/expanded sourcing or rephrasing (thanks to Kautilya3 for doing a lot of work on the article in the interim).
  • "The war clarified that Kashmir could no longer be taken from India by a conventional war." is cited to an article by a Major General in the Indian Army which is written with a pro-India tone and as an authoritative statement in the article should be qualified or bolstered with additional cites.
  • "Presently the Islamic fundamentalists in Bangladesh and Pakistan, controlled by the ISI, have joined forces to carry out terrorist attacks on India." is cited to a book that describes the war as India's "triumphant victory" which had Pakistan "down on its knees" along with numerous other clearly pro-India remarks.
  • "India was able to overcome its losses without weakening of its strength. The International community abhors Jihad. Pakistan's continuation of its covert war, called Jihad in Kashmir has caused loss of international support for Pakistan's Kashmir policy. This loss of support is evident even in the Muslim countries. Every Jihadist attack reduces Pakistan's moral high ground." needs additional citations in general, reads somewhat like an essay, and is presently cited to an article that reads like an op-ed in a section entitled "Views from Pakistan" with a subheadline that reads partly "two Pakistani commentators present the other side of the argument".
Best, Mifter (talk) 17:06, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
Doing... Mifter, Thanks for your comments, I am working to fix these concerns. DBigXray 22:31, 14 December 2018 (UTC).
 Done Changes made in to the article based on the suggestion. now marking as done. DBigXray 20:52, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
Thanks DBigXray, given my involvement in this, I believe having a Symbol redirect vote 4.svg new reviewer would be prudent as to have a fresh set of eyes. Best, Mifter (talk) 06:42, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 11[edit]

Class of 2018

Nash Aguas and Sharlene San Pedro
Nash Aguas and Sharlene San Pedro
  • ... that the 2018 Filipino action-thriller film Class of 2018 is the first-starring role of Sharlene San Pedro and Nash Aguas (pictured), who used to do sketch comedy in the variety show Goin' Bulilit when they were little...? Source: "Former “Goin’ Bulilit” stars will reunite in the upcoming action thriller “Class of 2018." (link)
    • ALT1:... that the 2018 Filipino action-thriller film Class of 2018's director Charliebebs Gohetia chose Nash Aguas and Sharlene San Pedro (pictured) as the lead cast because he believes people want them to work together as a love team...? Source: "we decided ‘Okay let’s give it to Nash and Sharlene.’ It turns out there has been a clamor for their love team" (link)
    • ALT2:... that the 2018 Filipino action-thriller film Class of 2018 is a fulfilment of the NashLene fans' (derived from the names of the lead cast Nash Aguas and Sharlene San Pedro (pictured) wish...? Source: "The movie is kind of a dream come true for NashLene fans because they’ve been crying for the two young artists to have a love tandem on screen." (link)
    • ALT3:... that the main cast of 2018 Filipino action-thriller film Class of 2018 were the same people who used to do sketch comedy in the variety show Goin' Bulilit when they were little....? Source: same as main hook.

Created by 001Jrm (talk). Self-nominated at 08:13, 11 November 2018 (UTC).

  • Thanks for claiming, I guess. ^^ Here's my pre-comment: ALT1 and ALT2 may sound fancruft-y but I can't say the same for the main hook/ALT3. The main cast started young (like kids aged 4yrs up) and they had a show (Goin Bulilit) wherein they do comedy and sitcom. The same kids (who are now 19 yrs up) were given the lead roles for the first time and it's action-thriller (so much different from comedy). Fun fact: Usually in the Philippines, rom-com or coming-of-age genre is given for actors' first starring films (link of the actress explaining how people hope for them to do a coming-of-age film) because moviegoers tend to want to watch it more than suspense/action/thriller. That's also the reason why "love teams" are a thing in the country; thus, ALT1 and ALT2). SO I think my hooks are based on plain facts, which I just reworded to make it more interesting. Thanks! :) 001Jrm (talk) 07:30, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
Another issue is that these hooks might be interesting to a broad audience. As a Filipino myself, the hooks focusing on Goin' Bulilit (obscure outside of the country) may not work out for international tastes. I'd suggest you try proposing hooks that don't involve Goin' Bulilit or the love team. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:28, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
  • How 'bout...
  • ALT4:... that the 2018 Filipino action-thriller film Class of 2018's director Charliebebs Gohetia describes his film as a first in the Philippine cinema because he reinvented the genre in which he mixed multiple genres into one film?
  • ALT5:... that Nash Aguas and Sharlene San Pedro (pictured), who were given their first-starring roles in the 2018 Filipino action-thriller film Class of 2018, were initially told they were going to play the second lead characters? 001Jrm (talk) 05:09, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg @001Jrm: Okay, I apologize for the delay as I have been busy with real-life work. Right now, I don't think the article as it stands is ready. First of, the "Mallshows and TV guestings" section is unreferenced, and arguably is merely trivia. At best the content could instead be shortened and included in the "Marketing" section. Secondly, is there no information about how well the film did in the Philippine box office? And third and most importantly, the article is a bit hard to read, with awkward grammar and paragraph constructions. I'd suggest that the article be given a copyedit, perhaps by the people at WP:GOCE, before this can push through. For the proposed hooks, my preference is ALT5, but at more than 220 characters, it is far beyond the 200 character limit and thus has to be made more concise. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:05, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and made a request at WP:GOCE. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:56, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 14[edit]

Articles created/expanded on November 16[edit]

Selfish genetic element

5x expanded by Arvidagren (talk). Self-nominated at 18:54, 16 November 2018 (UTC).

  • As a note, Arvid Ågren and Andrew Clark were the contributors who wrote the expanded content, I merely copied it across from the drafting page (BY-CC license). T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 04:38, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Drive-by comment: Several paragraphs lack any citations, per Rule D2. Yoninah (talk) 00:40, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
    • Good point - I've added in references to those paragraphs (mostly duplicates of references from other sections). T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 05:00, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
  • @Evolution and evolvability: Thank you. I have added other "citation needed" tags to paragraphs that lack citations and also to overlong text that is not cited. Please make sure that the writing is impartial and states facts rather than POV. Yoninah (talk) 10:45, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 17[edit]

Geology of Hong Kong

Geological map of Hong Kong. Green is volcanic rocks, red is granitic rocks.
Geological map of Hong Kong. Green is volcanic rocks, red is granitic rocks.

5x expanded by HarrietHKUGeology (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 21:32, 19 November 2018 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - No inline citation
  • Interesting: Green tickY

Image eligibility:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg This article needs major work before it's ready for DYK. SounderBruce 05:34, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

  • Symbol delete vote.svg I'm marking this for closure. This was completed as an assignment and the creator hasn't edited since November 22. The nominator has been editing, but they have not returned to this nomination. SL93 (talk) 22:47, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
  • @Graeme Bartlett: Are you still willing to continue this nomination? Courtesy ping to Jo-Jo Eumerus as they have an editing interest in volcanoes. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:47, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
    Sorry, but right now I have little interest in Hong Kong volcanoes. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:25, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
    • I will do some work today on this. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:54, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
      • All sections now have a reference and it is copyedited. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 13:02, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
        • There are still paragraphs in the Sedimentary rocks section that lack inline citations. The citation drop is also rather mediocre, as I don't think a single citation can cover each and every one of these paragraphs 100%. A spotcheck will be needed. SounderBruce 17:01, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Archean felsic volcanic rocks

Archean felsic volcanic rock containing fiamme structure
Archean felsic volcanic rock containing fiamme structure

Moved to mainspace by Ivancyyip (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 04:50, 19 November 2018 (UTC).

Hydrothermal mineral deposit

  • Reviewed: Khukri Rum
  • Comment: Part of Regional Geology course at HKU

Created by Alexgiovi (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 22:55, 19 November 2018 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg Article needs better sourcing overall GiantSnowman 17:00, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Northeast Syrtis

Created by Justinbl (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 23:09, 19 November 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The page was moved to the mainspace, rather than created, on 17 November 2018, so it still qualifies. While it is definitely lengthy, I'd have to quote Neil Armstrong from Gemini 8 and say that we've got serious problems here. First of all, there's no source in your nomination to support the hook, which is already outdated since Jezero crater was chosen as the landing site of the Mars 2020 rover on Tuesday. In fact, you've left the default message up there, which is quite funny. The article itself leaves a vast amount of content uncited, too. An entire paragraph under the "Mesa unit" subheading lacks even a single citation, for example. Over a third of the citations that do exist in the article are missing |date= values. Outside of the DYK criteria I also want to personally note that the orphan issue needs to be fixed, along with the strange use of images, which are incredibly oversized and overpopulate the article, along with the many typos and incorrect spelling of words. It is my understanding that the article's original writer may not have English as a native and/or fluent language, and the article may need some editorial oversight. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 13:45, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Working on this. It is now copyedited, and deorphaned. I have now changed the hook, as you are right, it was out of date already. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:07, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Now each paragraph has a cite at least and date errors fixed, and shrunk the pics. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:38, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg @Vincent60030 and Graeme Bartlett: I was hoping for further updates to the article, but the article was last edited 9 days ago, so I guess the updates have stopped? Many of the citations are locked behind subscription and/or pay walls, and lack a quote using {{Cite journal}}'s |quote= parameter, so it is impossible for people without subscriptions, like me, to verify them. As mentioned in my original reply, the issue of numerous passages lacking a citation is a problem that needs to be addressed. To explicitly point out some of them, they include, but are not limited to:
"From the composition aspect, it can be divided into four major units, from young to old [...]"
"The landing site's selection is the key part of this mission's success."
A vast majority of the first paragraph of the "Mesa unit" section
Everything past the first sentence in the "Megabreccia" section
"The detection of sulfate adds more complexity of Martian geologic history."
PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 10:20, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer for second opinion needed, preferably those who have subscription to these sources. VincentLUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 10:30, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Regolith-hosted rare earth element deposits

A regolith-hosted rare earth element deposit mine in South China
A regolith-hosted rare earth element deposit mine in South China

Created/expanded by Kevnmh (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 23:48, 19 November 2018 (UTC).

Salt deformation

Rock salt in blue deforms and flows upwards under pressure.
Rock salt in blue deforms and flows upwards under pressure.
  • Reviewed: Green's law
  • Comment: part of Regional geology class at HKU

Moved to mainspace by Myip003 (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 23:58, 19 November 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Myip003 and Graeme Bartlett: Very thorough work! There are a few issues to work out but they are minor. I'd say this is very close to Good Article status if these issues are dealt with, and I'd encourage a nomination for that status.
    • New and long enough, Earwig detects no copyvios, QPQ done. I changed the wikilinks in the hook to emphasize the article is specifically about the deformation. Good job on the original images!
    • A couple of paragraphs lack citations, and a lot don't have citations at the very end of the paragraph, making it unclear what the final sentence(s) are cited to.
    • Orphan banner needs to be dealt with.
    • I doubt that caption of the lead image is accurate: pure rock salt would be colorless, and the original caption (on the Flickr page) does not claim that this is a pure sample.
    • It looks like there are a lot of primary research articles used as sources; it is generally better to rely on review articles but this is beyond the scope of a DYK review so it's okay for now.
Antony–22 (talkcontribs) 04:32, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
Are the issues fixed? @Graeme Bartlett @Myip003?

Oei Tjie Sien

Created by ClaraElisaOng (talk). Nominated by ClaraElisaOng (talk) at 06:42, 17 November 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Hooks should be under 200 characters, preferably less. This one is 258 characters, so I struck it. Please provide a new hook and label it ALT1. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:18, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 18[edit]

Goldberg Variations (play)

George Tabori in the 1980s
George Tabori in the 1980s
  • ... that George Tabori (pictured) directed the premiere of his play Die Goldberg-Variationen in Vienna in 1991, presenting biblical conflicts between Mr. Jay and Goldberg as a surrealistic farce? Source: several

Created by Ipigott (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 13:20, 25 November 2018 (UTC).

  • General eligiblity:
  • New Enough: Green tickY
  • Long Enough: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - The hook fact (about biblical conflicts being presented as "surrealist") is not mentioned in the article; indeed, the phrase used in the article is "a satirical combination of seriousness and farce"

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Green tickY
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg AGF for German-language sources. The contradiction between the hook and the article needs to be resolved before I approve this. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:51, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

I'd love to use the wording from the article but it's too long. The exact quote from the cited book [23] is also too long: "... a montage of jokes, surrealistic comedy, farce and obscene slapstick humor", so I thought "surrealistic farce" was a valid short version. Do you think the quote needs to be in the article? Seems a bit undue weight to me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:13, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
If it's a quote about reception or discussing the play's themes, all the more should the quote be in the article. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:07, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
To make the hook tighter, how about this wording?
ALT1:... that George Tabori's (pictured) play Die Goldberg-Variationen presents biblical conflicts between the characters Mr. Jay and Goldberg as "a satirical combination of seriousness and farce"?
Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:09, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for the suggestion, on which we can build. I don't like beginning with a possessive, then pictured, and finally the link we want readers to click. While that is just beauty, the phrase "biblical conflicts between the characters Mr. Jay and Goldberg" is so wrong that I wonder what we did wrong in the article. The biblical conflicts are staged by the character, a director and his assistant, and there are conflicts on other levels than the biblical plot of the play in the play. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:40, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
ps: Also, I miss Tabori as the director of the premiere. A director staging (himself?) a God-like creator ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:42, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Do you have an alternate wording in mind? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:52, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
No. At the airplane, flight called. Feel free. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:03, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
  • @Gerda Arendt: It's been two weeks. Please propose a new hook as I'm afraid the currently proposed hook is undesirable. I very much like the hook facts presented, it just needs to be reworded in a more concise way (meaning, direct to the point), while also not contradicting the article text. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:12, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
I was waiting for you, because - see above - I said I had no alternative in mind. This is quite low on my priority scale, getting close to Christmas, it's not a topic I'm familiar with, and I am no wordsmith in English. Dr. Blofeld? Ipigott? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:49, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that in Die Goldberg-Variationen, a satirical play by George Tabori who staged the premiere in Vienna in 1991, biblical scenes are staged by Mr. Jay and Goldberg with conflicts on many levels?
ALT3: ... that in George Tabori's play Die Goldberg-Variationen, biblical scenes are satirically presented as a series of disasters?--Ipigott (talk) 08:27, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
I kind of like ALT3, but the hook fact isn't mentioned in the plot section. Granted this is not exactly a problem, except that it makes the plot section look really short by comparison. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:06, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 19[edit]

Bieling Architekten

Headquarter of Basler Versicherungen
Headquarter of Basler Versicherungen
  • ... that Bieling Architekten was founded in 1955 by Josef Bieling who mainly designed churches, while his two sons focus on headquarters (example pictured) and city quarters? Source: several

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 14:32, 26 November 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Can a new hook be proposed here? It's not really unusual for architects to work on different kinds of structures. Also, who is supposed to be the subject of this hook: Bieling or his sons? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:57, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
Both, like the article, therefore it seems worth mentioning (to me) that one focused on this, his sons on something else. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:41, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
Honestly I don't like the current hook: it's confusing to readers and is not really that interesting. Can we try something else here? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:46, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
How about reviewing things where you like the hook? I also don't think that a reviewer's likes and dislikes should play a role. I tried to give justice to the two generations mentioned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:52, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that in two generations of Bieling architects, founder Josef Bieling mainly designed churches, while his two sons have shaped city quarters? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:52, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
Not a review, but I agree with that statement. "Interesting to a broad audience" actually usually means "Interesting to the one reviewer". SL93 (talk) 03:13, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg - Length, Date, Cite (AGF on foreign language refs), QPQ, and Earwigs check. Gerda, all we need is some additional citations in the "Competitions" section and we should be good to go. Best, Mifter (talk) 07:03, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
Added, thanks for looking! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:58, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 21[edit]

Articles created/expanded on November 23[edit]

The Aboriginal Mother

  • Reviewed: Ma'adin Ijafen
  • Comment: While I believe this topic as a whole is interesting, I'm having a hard time coming out with a good hook for DYK. It may be better to combine some of these or condense them in some way.

5x expanded by SkyGazer 512 (talk). Self-nominated at 14:06, 30 November 2018 (UTC).

Matthew Hedges

  • Reviewed: Wayne Matthews
  • Comment: Ongoing event, so hook may need to change to stay correct/up-to-date, or better hooks may emerge

Created by Joseph2302 (talk). Self-nominated at 09:38, 24 November 2018 (UTC).

  • Length, Date, Cites, QPQ, and Earwigs check. Both hooks approved. Best, Mifter (talk) 07:51, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
Upon reflection, Joseph2302, wouldn't WP:BLP1E apply to this article? Best, Mifter (talk) 07:54, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
The event is notable for sure, and he received significant coverage. I've started a move discussion to refactor it to be about the event. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:09, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Robert Seyfarth (scientist)

Female Chacma baboon with infant (Botswana)
Female Chacma baboon with infant (Botswana)
  • ... that according to primatologists Robert Seyfarth and Dorothy Cheney, successful baboons use Jane Austen strategies: "be nice to your relatives and get in with the high-ranking relatives"? Source: University of Delaware Newsletter, 2009.
  • Reviewed: Dipolydora commensalis and Neanthes fucata (1 DYK for 2 articles)
  • Comment: Seyfarth and Cheney were married, lifelong collaborators and distinguished scientists. Cheney (who has had an article since May) recently died, so it would be nice to include her article in the DYK for Seyfarth's, if that is OK.

Created/expanded by HouseOfChange (talk). Self-nominated at 22:30, 23 November 2018 (UTC).

  • Comment: while Cheney can have a non-bold link in the hook, as her article is neither new nor newly 5x expanded (nor newly listed as a Good Article, a formal process that would take far too long for this nomination and would require further beefing up of the article, I believe, to meet the GA criteria), the link cannot be bolded since the article isn't eligible for DYK. I've adjusted the hook bolding, and removed Jlviegas from the credits since they do not appear to have made any edits to the Seyfarth article. Sorry for the bad news. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:05, 18 December 2018 (UTC)


  • ... that Chief Minister Zeik-Bye of Hanthawaddy persuaded Prince Binnya Nwe to revolt by saying that his mother Princess Maha Dewi was planning to put her lover on the throne? Source: (Pan Hla 2005: 81–83) and (Fernquest 2006: 5)[24]

Created by Hybernator (talk). Self-nominated at 06:01, 27 November 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 24[edit]

Eugène de Mirecourt

Eugène de Mirecourt
Eugène de Mirecourt

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 23:34, 1 December 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is long enough, new enough, interesting hook and QPQ is done. However, there are some passages in the “Life” section that need citations: last sentence of 1st passage; entire 3rd passage; last sentence of 4th; 5th and 7th passages. —Al Ameer (talk) 04:50, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Neacomys minutus, Neacomys spinosus

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 07:37, 1 December 2018 (UTC).


PSLV C-42 rocket.
PSLV C-42 rocket.
  • ... that PSLV-C42 (pictured) was used in the Core Alone configuration without the six strap-on motors, that is, the lightest version of the PSLV rocket, for the launch of two British earth observation satellites? [25]: "PSLV-C42 mission in its Core Alone configuration, is scheduled to launch two satellites S1-4 and NovaSAR from United Kingdom. In this configuration, the rocket will be without six solid strap-on motors. This version was first flown in April 2007 and is the lightest version of PSLV.
    • ALT1:... that ...PSLV-C42 (pictured) was the first fully commercial launch of the PSLV rocket in 2018 following a five-month long hiatus since its last launch on 12 April 2018? [26]: "PSLV-C42 will be the first fully commercial trip of the year, breaking a five-month-long lull, for the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO).

Improved to Good Article status by MBlaze Lightning (talk). Self-nominated at 06:24, 30 November 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Both hooks have been struck for being unsuitable: ALT0 for being too clunky, and ALT1 for being uninteresting (it's not unusual for rockets to go years between launches: notably the Space Shuttle twice went over a year without being launched, following vehicle losses; a five-month hiatus is a drop in the bucket comparatively speaking). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:00, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Narutolovehinata5, okay, fair enough. How about this: ALT2: ... that on 16 September 2018, the PSLV-C42 (pictured) was launched at night in what was the first ever night time mission executed by the Indian Space Research Organisation? [27]: "...PSLV-C42 precisely launched two of our customer satellites at 583 km orbit. This was unique night mission executed for the first time by us.
    MBlaze Lightning 14:04, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
Seems better and feels like it's on the right track, but it could probably be more concise. Perhaps something like "that PSLV-C42 (pictured) was the first night launch by the Indian Space Research Organisation?" or something to that effect. Granted, there's currently a discussion at WT:DYK that we have too many "first" hooks so I'll think about it in a few days. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:08, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
Actually, it looks like this wasn't the first time that ISRO had launched a PSLV rocket at night; five years ago, ISRO had carried out a similar night launch. Then it was reported that: "For the first time in its history, a satellite was launched at night."[28] In light of this fact, I don't think we can use that wording. What do you think? MBlaze Lightning 14:33, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
If that's the case, then definitely. We don't want this to end up at ERRORS, after all. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:47, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

─────────────────────────Okay, new hooks:

ALT3 is probably not of interest to people who don't have an interest in astronomy or rockets, so ALT4 might be the best option going forward. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:07, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
That's fine with me. MBlaze Lightning 12:55, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Preta Fernanda

Preta Fernanda's 1912 memoir
Preta Fernanda's 1912 memoir
  • ... that Preta Fernanda's Lisbon brothel was a meeting place for writers, politicians and bohemians ...? Source: "she opened a social hall in Bairro Alto, which was inaugurated with "a lot of lust." It was one of the nightly meeting places for writers, politicians and tourists, in the bohemian Lisbon of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries." (translated)
    • ALT1:... that, scandalously, Preta Fernanda was the only woman who remained in the room when Almada Negreiros presented Ultimatum Futurista in 1917 ...? Source: "She lived in several streets of Bairro Alto and is said to have been the only woman who did not leave the room when Almada Negreiros read Ultimatum Futurista in 1917."(translated)

Moved to mainspace by Pburka (talk). Self-nominated at 01:39, 24 November 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Neither hook is interesting to a broad audience and thus have been struck. @Pburka: please propose new hooks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:00, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg The nominator has been unable to propose new hooks, and has not responded to pings and talk-page messages despite being moderately active since the original review. Marking for closure. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:29, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 25[edit]

Giovanni Cosimo Bonomo

  • Created by Wuerzele (talk). Self-nominated at 17:45, 29 November 2018 (UTC).
Symbol possible vote.svg @Wuerzele: The hook as it stands is too long and too confusing, trying to put too much information. Can you make this shorter and focus on only one aspect? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:45, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
t thanks for the comment. I am painfully aware, but have been unable to decide what is most interesting. One of the reasons we have DYK review is that other editors opinions help create a good DYK! So go for it, please! Wuerzele (talk) 09:05, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
What about merely focusing on discovering itch mite as a cause of scabies? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:54, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Acanthosquilla derijardi

Created by Umimmak (talk). Self-nominated at 01:55, 28 November 2018 (UTC).

Dean Thompson

Created by Raintheone (talk). Self-nominated at 22:29, 26 November 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Raintheone: I'm not confident with either hook: the first hook might be of interest to fans of the series but not so much to the average person, while the second hook is commonplace (it's very common for actors to seek advice from peers when preparing for roles). Can something better be proposed here? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:02, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: - Thank you for the review. We have discussed hooks before. Can you think of a different hook better suited to our broad audience? I recall you did better than I at creating a replacement on a previous DYKN.Rain the 1 15:36, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to help out this time much, sorry. I would have tried proposing a suggestion here, but some of the sources in the article are paywalled and I can't access them. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:46, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5:In which case would you consider striking your comments and letting someone else review this DYK? Perhaps other editors have access to the paywall sources.Rain the 1 22:08, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
  • On further reflection, I feel that ALT1 might potentially work. According to the article, it was the actor's first television role, so maybe a hook combining that fact and ALT1 might be a possible option here. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:11, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
@Raintheone: Thoughts? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:02, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 26[edit]

Social emotional development

  • Comment: moved the the article space November 26, 2018

Created by Christine Moody cmoody404 (talk). Nominated by Cmoody404 (talk) at 23:49, 2 December 2018 (UTC).

  • Hey Cmoody404. I'll pick this one up. Gimme a few days to look the article over. GMGtalk 18:46, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Copyvio looks good. New enough. Definitely long enough. GMGtalk 21:16, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Okay Cmoody404. I've gone through the article and made various tweaks. I would also suggest a tweak to the hook to avoid WP:EGG. Probably something like ...that as part of their social emotional development, the emotional vocabulary of most children increases more than sevenfold by the time they reach age 11?
This also corrects a couple small errors that the study didn't specially address 6-year-olds, but instead used age 4 to 6 as their baseline. They also examined "most children", specially using 75% of the sample as the cut off for their measurement. So long as you're fine with that, then I'd say we're good to pass the nomination. Just lemme know what you think. GMGtalk 14:58, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Bernard A. Maguire

Bernard Maguire in 1866
Bernard Maguire in 1866

Created by Ergo Sum (talk). Self-nominated at 06:37, 2 December 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Can a new hook be proposed here? It doesn't seem very interesting, and it's also very vague (separating the preparatory division of what? The University?). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:03, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
    • @Narutolovehinata5: That's the main thing he's known for as far as his presidency of Georgetown is concerned; it was a fairly significant decision. I've added a alternate hook, though, that might be catchier. Ergo Sum 05:10, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
      • Unfortunately that's still not a very interesting hook fact. Separating divisions isn't exactly uncommon in the academic world. Something else here needs to be proposed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:46, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
        • @Narutolovehinata5: I've added a second alternative; I find this one pretty interesting. Ergo Sum 23:41, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
          • Seems pretty negative, and/or rather bland. Do you have any other suggestions? ALT2 could be a start but more needs to be said, in this case. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:40, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 27[edit]

Israeli occupation of the West bank

  • ... that the Israeli occupation of the West Bank, along with the Gaza Strip, is the longest military occupation in modern times? Source: "The Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza is the longest military occupation in modern times"
    • ALT1:... that under the Israeli occupation of the West Bank Palestinian Arabs are governed under military law and Israeli Jews under civilian law? Source: "From the occupation's very beginning, the ethnicity of the individual determined both the legal system to which a person would be subjected as well as whether the letter of the law would be enforced at all. Whereas both the land and its Palestinian inhabitants have been subjected to military rule, the Jewish settlers who took over the expropriated land have been subjected to Israeli civilian law."

Converted from a redirect by Nishidani (talk), Nableezy (talk), and NSH001 (talk). Nominated by Nableezy (talk) at 01:47, 28 November 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 28[edit]

Gwen Grant Mellon

Created by Wuerzele (talk). Self-nominated at 20:34, 28 November 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 29[edit]

Sammy Woodhouse

Created by Wumbolo (talk). Self-nominated at 20:21, 5 December 2018 (UTC).

David Long (American football)

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self-nominated at 20:35, 6 December 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 30[edit]

Hamdan Qarmat

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self-nominated at 15:37, 1 December 2018 (UTC).

Cyclonic Niño

A typhoon in 2003
A typhoon in 2003

Moved to mainspace by Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk). Self-nominated at 17:48, 30 November 2018 (UTC).

David Long Jr.

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self-nominated at 16:13, 7 December 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 1[edit]

Carsten Koch (musician)

Concert on 9 December 2018
Concert on 9 December 2018
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: would work for Christmas, 25 December, but also 26, 27, 1 January, 2 and 6, - the days on which the six parts of the oratorio were performed at Bach's time

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 14:16, 8 December 2018 (UTC).

Crash (magazine)

  • ... that the computer magazine Crash got into trouble when its front cover featured a staff member wrestling in a swimsuit with an alien? Source: "Controversial covers, such as .... issue 31's depiction of a swimsuited Hannah Smith wrestling with an alien, often saw sales spikes, despite the protestations of WH Smith, John Menzies and indignant mothers." [29]
    • ALT1:... that Crash was Britain's biggest-selling computer magazine in early 1986? Source: "During the period January to June this year, CRASH sold 101,483 copies a month on average — more than any other computer magazine in the country by all accounts." [30]
  • Reviewed: Josephine Heffernan
  • Comment: If we've got a lot of hooks to use up, it might be an idea to defer this to February, which would be the 45th anniversary of the magazine's first issue.

Improved to Good Article status by Ritchie333 (talk). Self-nominated at 12:22, 6 December 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Ritchie333: I see a few issues (besides these, the nomination meets the DYK criteria).
  1. I am concerned about the lack of independence in the sourcing here. The GA reviewer had similar concerns. I think everything in the article meets the intent in WP:V but I never feel great about citing the work or person which is the article topic (I usually defend my opinion under WP:WEIGHT.). Happy to have a discussion here.
    If there are any other independent sources anywhere else, I can't find them. Because of the nature of the subject, fans of the magazine after its demise would have probably discussed it on Usenet and then the web (particularly World of Spectrum and related sites) rather than being documented in any books, newspapers or traditional media. It's just old enough to miss out on coverage in internet sources, but not old enough to be documented in paper media; and that seems to be a general issue for things that were best known in popular hacker culture in the mid to late 80s and not thereafter. I think this article is one of those instances where our general policies on notability and reliable sources don't work; if the general lack of independent sourcing was really an issue, somebody would have created Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crash (magazine) some time in the last ten years. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:09, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
  2. Earwig picks up the lead text as being substantially the same as the description in archive.org. Is that Archive borrowing our lead material... or did we borrow theirs... without attribution? Crash was a magazine dedicated to the ZX Spectrum home computer. It was published from 1984 to 1991 by Newsfield Publications Ltd until their liquidation, and then until 1992 by Europress.
    That's a reverse copyvio from the article. It's not strictly speaking archive.org that did it; rather that whoever uploaded the scans probably did a copy and paste of the article lead as a suitable description and simply forgot to put the attribution in the right place. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:09, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
  • I do prefer Alt0, which inspired me to do this review (my first DYK review). That's quite hooky. --Izno (talk) 23:39, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
I do wonder what happened to "girlie tipster" Hannah Smith, she suddenly disappeared in mid-1987 and was never heard from again. Married with three kids teaching somewhere in the Midlands would be my guess. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:09, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Thomas Mulledy

Photograph of Thomas Mulledy
Photograph of Thomas Mulledy

Created by Ergo Sum (talk). Self-nominated at 19:27, 4 December 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough, long enough, neutral, and well referenced. QPQ is done, image is PD, and no copyvio detected. Hook is interesting and neutral, but the supplied source says the revenue of the slave sale was for the "province formation program", whereas the article and the hook say it's for financing its debt. Could you please explain the discrepancy? -Zanhe (talk) 07:51, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Jim Derrington

  • Reviewed: Clémentine Touré
  • Comment: I wanted to make a hook about him being the last 16-year-old in MLB history but I can't find a good source for that.

5x expanded by JustJamie820 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:32, 1 December 2018 (UTC).

Earth's circumference

  • Reviewed: QPQ to come

Created by Onceinawhile (talk). Self-nominated at 18:33, 1 December 2018 (UTC).

  • @Onceinawhile: Symbol delete vote.svg In case you missed it, Long enough – the prose portion is at least 1,500 characters. Right now Earth's circumference is only 522 characters of "readable prose size". Umimmak (talk) 18:54, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi @Umimmak: many thanks. I was still building the article - my fault for posting here before it was ready. I have finished now, but need to await the outcome of an AfD. Onceinawhile (talk) 01:00, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
@Onceinawhile: okay thanks for the heads up. Ping me once that has been resolved and I'll go through the review. Umimmak (talk) 01:04, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi @Umimmak: the AFD is closed and the article is much more fulsome now. I will update the QPQ shortly. Onceinawhile (talk) 18:36, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

2001 Harrah's 500

Improved to Good Article status by MWright96 (talk). Nominated by Kpgjhpjm (talk) at 04:53, 2 December 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @MWright96 and Kpgjhpjm: Honestly I don't really see how this hook is interesting to non-motorsport fans, and I say this as a motorsport fan myself. Can something better be proposed here? In addition, the hook is improperly formatted; I've fixed it below Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:27, 19 December 2018 (UTC):
... that Patrick Carpentier won his first career CART race by passing Dario Franchitti and Michel Jourdain Jr. on the final lap of the 2001 Harrah's 500?

Articles created/expanded on December 2[edit]

Greta Thunberg

Created by Gfosankar (talk). Self-nominated at 03:45, 3 December 2018 (UTC).

There She Goes (TV series)

  • ... that There She Goes is a programme based on Shaun Pye's learning disabled daughter, and some performances by David Tennant and Jessica Hynes were so emotive that Pye had to leave during filming? Source: "There were a couple of times I had to leave the set because David and Jessica recreated certain scenes so vividly that I did find it quite hard to watch" [31]

Created by Bilorv (talk). Self-nominated at 22:54, 2 December 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Could the hook be made shorter? It's pretty long as it is at the moment and it seems to try to cram too much information. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 15:36, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5: any suggestions in particular? The fact I want to get across is that Pye found the filming quite emotional. I would like to add in the context that the show is based on his disabled daughter, and it was scenes between Tennant and Hynes, but I understand there's a tradeoff to be made with eloquence. I think the first ALT flows a bit better (its length is still under the limit), and the next two are shorter but suboptimal as they get rid of one of the key facts:
Bilorv(c)(talk) 16:16, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
Honestly among the proposed hooks, ALT3 might actually be the best option: the names of the actors are omitted, but it instead gives focus on what the film is about and why the director became emotional, which seems to be the main point of the hook proposal. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:26, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
Okay, I'm happy to go with ALT3. Bilorv(c)(talk) 11:50, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Clare Faulds

Created by Joseph2302 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:11, 2 December 2018 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg @Joseph2302: Would make more sense to rephrase from present perfect to perfect tense (i.e. "was the vicar general from..."). In doing so, I think the years of office would be appropriate. Ergo Sum 22:26, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 3[edit]

Social connection

  • Reviewed: I still have to review another nomination and will post this here once it's done.

5x expanded by Laurisela (talk). Self-nominated at 18:16, 10 December 2018 (UTC).

Darlene Lim

Created/expanded by Tarselli (talk). Self-nominated at 18:08, 7 December 2018 (UTC).

James Stratford (publisher)

Fleet Prison
Fleet Prison

Created by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 19:59, 4 December 2018 (UTC).

Added Alt1a. Did you get that he was jailed because he was bankrupt? I think it is interesting because we don't put people in jail for debt any more as that makes it difficult for them to pay. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:24, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
The interest here is rather subjective, to be honest. I suppose it could work, but it's not the most interesting part about his life, in my opinion. What about his part-works? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:17, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
"The interest here is rather subjective". What does that mean? I think interest is always subjective. I personally think that the hook is interesting because it's so unusual. SL93 (talk) 03:23, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
Honestly I'm not sure if it's really considered "unusual". It is now and apparently wasn't back then, but I'm not sure if readers would know that. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:35, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
I'm guessing the readers won't know that, which I believe makes it a perfect hook because it gets the article read. SL93 (talk) 03:38, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Bester Bube

The ♦J and ♥J as top trumps in Bester Bube
The J and J as top trumps in Bester Bube
  • ... that Bester Bube is a card game characterised by the promotion of two Jacks to topmost position, a feature paralleled in Euchre and other historical games such as Reunion and Kontraspiel?
    Source: "I conclude that Euchre derives from the Alsatian game of Jucker and that Jucker derives ultimately from Triomphe or French Ruff, probably via Bête. It is definitively characterised by the promotion of two Jacks to topmost position as Right and Left Bowers, a feature variously represented or paralleled in late 18th-early 19th century west German games such as Réunion, Bester Bube and Kontraspiel." at Euchre

Created by Bermicourt (talk). Self-nominated at 22:02, 3 December 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg size and age ok, written neutrally. free of copyvio. hook cited and faithful to source. hook ok. Lots of unreferenced lines (sorry, a rule of DYK). Even if all sourced to the one source (as I suspect they will be) there should be a citation in each para. Also, is there any more material on where and when it was played? Otherwise the substance of the article is pretty slim apart from rules (not a deal-breaker though) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:07, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
@Casliber: thanks. In terms of referencing, I'm guessing you're referring to the rules section. In fact, as stated in the opening paragraph, the rules are based on Alversleben and he is fully cited. This has been accepted practice in other DYK articles, but if you'd like me to repeat the reference after every paragraph, that's easily done. I've expanded the historical information on when and where the game was played. Bermicourt (talk) 21:23, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Aadil Gurezi

Any advice or opinion much appreciated. Created/expanded by Farooqahmadbhat (talk). Self-nominated at 12:03, 3 December 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg @Farooqahmadbhat: Bearing in mind you've mangled the template here, it is usual for nominators to proposed their own hooks when they nominate an article for DYK. Can you come up with a suitable hook please? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 14:46, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
  • @The C of E: Sir, I am very new to Wikipedia and still learning about its different projects. If you think that my DYK nomination caused any conflict in any way then i apologize for that. I submitted the said article for general opinions. Farooqahmadbhat (talk) 14:57, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
  • @Farooqahmadbhat: Not a problem, it us just usual that when the nomination is made, the nominator already has an idea about what they want as a hook from the article. From what I see, the article is within policy as the date and length are fine. It just needs a hook that you feel might be interesting to a broad range of people. Anything from the article could be good. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 15:06, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
  • I'm wondering how the image is really "own work" when it was uploaded 28 November, and I'm seeing other versions online from February and August.
    Other than that, probably something along the lines of Dupte Nunem being inspired by his mother's humming. GMGtalk 15:21, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Aadil Gurezi - if not a hook at least a link, and I'd like to see more reliable sources before thinking about a hook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:31, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 4[edit]

White wagtail

Improved to Good Article status by Qwerty number1 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:23, 6 December 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg Improved to GA recently, long enough, article with inline citations, Hook cited with source and AGF on copyvio as most of the references are offline. QPQ not needed as first nomination. Gfosankar (talk) 14:14, 12 December 2018 (UTC)


  • ... that the first discovered fossil of the dinosaur Weewarrasaurus was noted for being preserved in shining green-blue opal...?
    • ALT1:... that the first discovered fossil of the dinosaur Weewarrasaurus was found in a bag of opals by an opal dealer, and later donated to a museum...?
  • Comment: Author exempt from QPQ

Created by Lusotitan (talk). Self-nominated at 00:46, 6 December 2018 (UTC).

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - n
  • Interesting: Green tickY

QPQ: Red XN - N/A
Overall: Symbol question.svg It's a neat article and a good summary of the source material. The hooks are interesting but do not quite reflect the two sources used, for example, using words that are found in neither of them. However, that is fixable. Of more concern is that the images used in the article appear to be copyrighted despite the CC 4.0 licences displayed on Wikimedia Commons. However, I am no expert on copyright, so would like a second opinion on that. If we can sort those 2 issues out, I'll do a final check and it should then be good to go. Bermicourt (talk) 21:01, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm assuming the problematic word in the first hook is "shining", since the paper describes the opalization as "green-blue" in the "Preservation of LRF 3067" section, and it makes it abundantly clear it's talking about the holotype, which is the first discovered specimen (using "type specimen" or "holotype" here might be confusing for general readers, hence the wording change). Regarding "shining", the news article uses "sparkly", and I figured "shining" in this context meant essentially the same thing, so I used a synonym so as to not rip the description straight from another authors hook on the subject. For hook two, "bag of rough opal", "opal dealer", and "...donated to the Australian Opal Center, a Lightning Ridge museum...". Not sure what else in these hooks could be not reflecting the sources, it just leaves "noted" and "found" which are very obviously implied actions in both sources. Regarding the images, I'm reasonably certain all images published through PeerJ papers are good for Wikipedia use, but licensing isn't my strongsuit. Paging IJReid to help clear things up. Lusotitan (Talk | Contributions) 01:31, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg Having taking advice here it seems that the images are freely licensed on the original website, so that problem has gone away. However, there are doubts about whether the principle source is WP:RS and also that the discovery is WP:TOOSOON to be accepted in the scientific field. That being the case, we shouldn't really be showcasing it on the main page. So I don't feel able to sign this off, but I've left it as a "maybe" rather than a "no" in order to give other more expert editors an opportunity to comment. Bermicourt (talk) 21:08, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
I would dispute on both points. Palaeontology is a field of study where quality secondary sources are not available in the vast majority of cases. Published papers are considered the standard for reliable sources in WP:DINO. Regarding it being "too soon", it being preserved in opal is factual. The part that could be not accepted in the field is the existence of Weewarrasaurus as a valid, non-dubious taxon. But if it was considered dubious in a later study, the page would continue existing (dubious species still get their own pages most of the time, like with the relevant Fulgurotherium) and its status as a fossil preserved in opal and found in a bag of them would not change. Lusotitan (Talk | Contributions) 21:26, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Sarlacc's Pit cave

  • ... that the largest striped karst cave ever found has been nicknamed Sarlacc's Pit? Source: "The cave is the largest known of its type, a variety of "striped karst, which is marble interspersed with other types of ancient ocean rock, she said." and "The entrance to the cave, nicknamed 'Sarlacc's Pit' by the helicopter crew who discovered it, is seen in an undated handout photo." (both sentences from CBC article)
    • ALT1:... that no one will know until 2020 whether the newly discovered Sarlacc's Pit cave is actually the largest cave in Canada? Source: "The exact depth and size of the cave has not been determined... future exploration of the cave is being considered in consultation with BC Parks, and that a team is likely to be fielded in 2020. (from Canadian Geographic article) and "A newly discovered cave in a remote valley in British Columbia might be the country's largest." (from CBC article)

Created by (talk).

Three Lives, Three Incarnations

Created by Kingoflettuce (talk). Self-nominated at 16:21, 4 December 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg New hooks are needed as, according to Da Rules, hooks about works of fiction must involve the real world; i.e., they cannot be about plot points. Personally I am against that rule and wished it were abolished, but that's a discussion for another time. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:20, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
I can name several instances where "Da Rules" were not followed :( totally forgot about that silliness, but nevermind. How about "... that both "Three Lives" and "Three Incarnations" were adapted into plays staged in China?" Kingoflettuce (talk) 04:56, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
It could work if there was some context in the hook. Merely saying that they were adapted into plays into China isn't that interesting by itself I'm afraid. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:40, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

I took another look at the rules, which technically does not preclude the possibility of discussing plot points, only that the real world must (also) be involved. Therefore, I propose: "ALT2 ... that in both of the short stories "Three Lives" and "Three Incarnations", which were first published in Strange Tales from a Chinese Studio, a man is reborn as a dog that either kills itself or is killed by another dog?" Kingoflettuce (talk) 14:06, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm afraid we probably have to give up on using plot points here as from experience the rule is rather strictly implemented (if not caught at DYKN, then usually at WT:DYK or ERRORS). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 16:28, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
[32] [33] some examples to the contrary... However, I'm cool with not doing plot points, just that without them it would make more sense to have separate nominations instead. Could this still happen on this page? Kingoflettuce (talk) 05:10, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
Honestly I'm not sure. I'm going to leave a message at DYK and see what can be done here. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:05, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
Cheers Naruto - much appreciated. Ok,
  • ... that the eighteenth-century Chinese short story "Three Lives" was adapted into a play featuring hip-hop and a live band?

Thanks Kingoflettuce (talk) 12:52, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the new hooks. As I'm rather busy right now I'll only have time to review Three Lives and will leave Three Incarnations for another reviewer, but personally I think Three Lives' hook is interesting, but Three Incarnations' is not so much. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:06, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
Would just like to inform @Narutolovehinata5: that QPQ for this actually hasn't been done (look at the DYK nom for Motivation crowding theory and its history you'll see that the user just put an arbitrary comment on the nom before a hook had been added, never added the ? to the nominator talk page, and has ignored it in the two weeks since a hook was added.) Kingsif (talk) 19:43, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
@Kingsif: Honestly whiffed on that one, my bad. In my defence the onus is on the nominator, I think, to have drummed up a proper nomination in the first place, or at least inform me when he/she/zer was done doing something so basic, rather than just leave it unsigned and undetected. You could have reminded me too -- I was obviously more than prepared and happy to do a full review after a hook was proposed -- rather than assume bad faith and swoop in to steal the jewel. I forgive you since it's Christmas, amen. Kingoflettuce (talk) 02:18, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
@Kingoflettuce: Sorry for assuming bad faith, I guess it really came from the lack of even enough effort to spell "what" with all four letters. That shouldn't be an influence, but in the moment it just made me think that you'd chosen a nom that could be very quickly dismissed to pseudo-review as QPQ. Kingsif (talk) 02:23, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
If you check against my many other reviews, you would (I hope) note that I have done a thorough job for them. I apologise that this particular QPQ fell thru the cracks (typos cant be helped tho), but in all seriousness thanks for filling in for me - I'd suppose it's more efficient than reminding me to complete the review. Have been quite tied up these few days Kingoflettuce (talk) 03:40, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 5[edit]

Michael McComie

  • ... that Trinidadian football player and coach Michael McComie died from a brain tumour 24 hours after being diagnosed?

Created by GiantSnowman (talk). Self-nominated at 19:30, 10 December 2018 (UTC).

Butterfly (TV series)

  • ... that when making television drama Butterfly, creator Tony Marchant aimed to dispel the myth that transgender children transition in order to be "trendy"? Source: [34] "if the drama does anything, it is to dispel two myths - that children are deciding to go through this process because it's 'trendy'..."

5x expanded by Bilorv (talk). Self-nominated at 22:49, 7 December 2018 (UTC).

Motivation crowding theory

Created/expanded by W.s.campbell (talk). Self-nominated at 08:10, 3 December 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Wot is the hook?! Kingoflettuce (talk) 03:54, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg I feel like the previous comment, which has been used as a QPQ for the user, isn't an adequate review of any sort. You can't claim to have reviewed a DYK when there isn't anything to review, and should have tagged or messaged the nominator then politely waited for a hook to be added before saying you'd reviewed it — and then followed up in the last two weeks after the hook was added.
The article itself has some reference issues (odd, for a GA nom) which could be quickly fixed. The hook is good content but needs rephrasing. Can you fix the refs and see how you like the ALT below? Kingsif (talk) 19:37, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that Motivation crowding theory shows that sometimes paying people to perform a task will lead to them performing it less?
Hey, Kingsif. Thanks so much for taking the time to review! I like the pith of that Alt. for the DYK. I approve. Anything I need to do with it?

As for other issues, I'd be happy to fix anything you catch. Let me know what you see? When I go to edit the page, I get a report of "No errors found" for the Citation Error Report. There seems to be something wonky with the dates on many of the citations, but I can't figure out how to edit the dates.

Any help to a neophyte would be appreciated. Thanks!

Like sheep to the slaughter

  • ... that a popular misconception holds that Jews went "like sheep to the slaughter" during the Holocaust? Source: Middleton-Kaplan 2014, p. 3.
    • ALT1:... that in Israel, Holocaust survivors were blamed for having gone "like sheep to the slaughter"? Source: Middleton-Kaplan 2014, p. 9.
    • ALT2:... that Jewish resistance leaders exhorted Jews not to go "like sheep to the slaughter" during the Holocaust, because "for three lines in history... it is even worth dying"? Source: Middleton-Kaplan 2014, p. 6–7.
    • ALT3:... that Abba Kovner exhorted Jews not to go "like sheep to the slaughter" during the Holocaust, to incite "a rebellion against the very use of that term"? Source: [35][36]
  • Reviewed: México en la Piel
  • Comment: The article's header image could be used, especially with ALT3.

Created by Catrìona (talk). Self-nominated at 22:27, 5 December 2018 (UTC).

Tomas Fonacier

Created by Arius1998 (talk). Self-nominated at 04:31, 5 December 2018 (UTC).

Chino Roque

Created by Arius1998 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:37, 5 December 2018 (UTC).

Never mind the fact that the tag is still on the page, so far Chino Roque only links to one other article -- as part of a dubious and unreferenced paragraph. Still doesn't cut it for me. You have to resolve it yourself, I'm afraid. Kingoflettuce (talk) 06:41, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

An additional comment: perhaps "if" would be better than "when", since it doesn't look like the flight is happening any time soon. Also, the hook fact must be explicitly present in the body, and not the lede alone. Kingoflettuce (talk) 03:42, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Kaede Hondo

  • ... that Japanese voice actress Kaede Hondo decided to pursue a career in acting because she did not initially know that the word "make up" referred to cosmetics? Source: [37] (本渡:小学校の時に校外学習があって、そこで通りすがりのおばさんに「あんた化粧映えするよ」と言われて(笑)。その時は化粧映えという言葉を知らなかったので、後程調べたところ「私は女優さんになれるんだ」と思っちゃって。それから段々とやりたくなってきました。)
    • ALT1:... that Japanese voice actress Kaede Hondo was inspired to pursue a career in acting after a childhood incident where she did not know that the word "make up" referred to cosmetics? Source: Same as ALT0

5x expanded by Narutolovehinata5 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:30, 5 December 2018 (UTC).

  • I will review this in a short time. Flowerpiep (talk) 19:25, 13 December 2018 (UTC)Flowerpiep
  • Symbol question.svg @Narutolovehinata5: The prose portion was expanded more than fivefold and is long enough. The expansion happened on the same day as the nomination. The article is neutral. The sources are cited with inline citations, but here I would like to make three mentions: the reference from the lead section should be placed in the body of the article, the reference from number 35 has an error related to its date, and the link used in the reference for the Handa-kun/Miyoko Kinjo part from the first table does not seem to mention this character and this series (thus, a new reference should be used). Also, the external link to the official site does not seem to be working. No copyvio or plagiarism found. Regarding the hooks, both of them contain fewer than 200 characters. They are interesting, neutral, and cited with an inline citation that appears in the article. However, they are a little confusing in their current state. How about something like ALT2: that Japanese voice actress Kaede Hondo decided to pursue a career in acting because she misinterpreted what she was once told? or even something like ALT3: that Japanese voice actress Kaede Hondo decided to pursue a career in acting due to a misunderstanding? I believe a hook similar to ALT3 would make the readers check the article to find out how the misunderstanding happened. QPQ done. No image. I would like to mention that this is my first DYK review, so if anyone believes that something else should be mentioned, they are more than welcome to intervene. Flowerpiep (talk) 11:36, 14 December 2018 (UTC)Flowerpiep
@Flowerpiep: Thanks, all of the article issues mentioned above have been addressed. I'm fine with your proposed hooks, in particular ALT3, but if we're going to go with them instead of the ones I proposed, we'll need a new reviewer to check them out. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:51, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 6[edit]

R. Hari Kumar

  • ... that R. Hari Kumar served as commissioning GO VIII of INS Ranvir and commissioning GO of INS Kuthar?
    • ALT1:... that R. Hari Kumar commanded the Coast Guard Ship C-01, the missile boat INS Nishank, the Rajput-class destroyer destroyer INS Ranvir, the Kora class missile corvette INS Kora and the Centaur class aircraft carrier INS Viraat?

Moved to mainspace by Nivas10798 (talk). Self-nominated at 07:02, 12 December 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg One issue with the article is where it says he went to the US Naval College in 1966, when he would have been four years old. What year is this supposed to be, since there isn't a reference? Also, the hooks are not only super boring but overuse specialist terms, so are not interesting to a wide audience. Kumar's college career seems to be most widely interesting stuff, so how about:
Kingsif (talk) 19:25, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Dorothée Munyaneza

Created by Joseph2302 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:59, 7 December 2018 (UTC).

1975 Holton-Arms School Senior Prom

Dancing at the Holton-Arms Senior Prom
Dancing at the Holton-Arms Senior Prom

Created by Chetsford (talk). Self-nominated at 01:13, 7 December 2018 (UTC).

James Comyn

  • ... that a woman once threw a dead cat at James Comyn, who later became a judge, when he was cross-examining her in court? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

5x expanded by Atchom (talk). Self-nominated at 05:02, 6 December 2018 (UTC).

  • Drive-by comment: The hook doesn't make sense chronologically. Should the phrase "who later became a judge" be deleted? Yoninah (talk) 22:58, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 7[edit]

John R. Seale

  • ... that in the 1980s, British physician John R. Seale advocated the theory that the HIV virus might have been created in a germ-warfare laboratory?
    • ALT1:... that ...?

Created by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 21:44, 15 December 2018 (UTC).

HMS Sportsman

HMS Sportsman at anchor
HMS Sportsman at anchor
  • Reviewed: St. Nikolai, Kiel
  • Comment: ALT0 would be a very good quirky hook; ALT1 would be a good hook if promoted in the lead slot.

5x expanded by L293D (talk). Self-nominated at 20:24, 7 December 2018 (UTC).

  • Yeah, I like it too. L293D ( • ) 17:01, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 8[edit]

Yocemento, Kansas

  • Comment: An additional source is a plaque that was installed in the Kansas City Union Station in 1999, but since removed due to remodeling for the new street car line. Preservation of the plaque with intention of re-installation is confirmed by the Kansas City Museum's Director of Collections & Curatorial Services, Denise Morrison, 2018.

5x expanded by IveGoneAway (talk). Self-nominated at 21:59, 8 December 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 9[edit]

System 001

Created by A loose noose (talk), JC7V7DC5768 (talk), and ThatMontrealIP (talk). Nominated by A loose noose (talk) at 11:47, 10 December 2018 (UTC).

I had no idea. Maybe I should cancel this DYK nomination? I do not know how to do this. A loose noose (talk) 15:03, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to sort things out. I added the signature stamp to the comment before this one. I think Heb the best is saying that this hook resembles one we ran before. But System 001 appears to be a new article that can be judged on its own merits. Please submit a different hook, and I'll review it. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 22:53, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Thank you. I don't really know the rules, just wanted to bring attention to it. Looking into in now, it seems it is a "new content"-showcasing thing. Another thing I would like to mention, without knowing if it changes anything, is that I have suggested that is is merged back into The Ocean Cleanup, because I think it is an unnecessary split. ― Heb the best (talk) 04:25, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

* ALT2:... that System 001— an unmanned, floating, solar powered, passive garbage collection device— has begun its attempt to gather and remove half of the plastic debris in the Great Pacific Garbage Patch within the next five years?Source:[40]

How's that, then? A loose noose (talk) 02:32, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
First of all, it is wrong to say that System 001 will remove half the plastic within five years; the estimate is based on a fleet of 60 vessels, not just one. Secondary, if those numbers are used, I think it should be more clear to the reader, that is it the ocean cleanup's own estimates. Stating that it is possible to clean up half the plastic within 5 years is a bold statement, and hence require clear attribution. ― Heb the best (talk) 04:25, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg There is now a merge tag on the article. A loose noose I suggest you comment on the merge discussion and let us know here how it works out. Yoninah (talk) 14:22, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

(I myself did not understand the original scope of the project. Consider ALT3 once the merger discussion is closed. A loose noose (talk) 16:54, 12 December 2018 (UTC))
Good hook, although I would replace "fix" with "clean up". ― Heb the best (talk) 18:15, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
Done. A loose noose (talk) 19:49, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
Now "clean up" is repeated twice in the hook. BTW the purpose of a hook is to "hook" the reader in, not to tell him so much that he doesn't need to click on the article. Brevity and wit is the goal here. Yoninah (talk) 20:38, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
How about these? A loose noose (talk) 20:49, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
ALT5 is hooky, thanks. Now your major goal is to get rid of that merge tag so this nomination can proceed. Yoninah (talk) 22:30, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
Abort. Article is destined to be merged into The Ocean Cleanup. Note to self: next time you write a new article, consider not nominating it for DYK... A loose noose (talk) 19:58, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 10[edit]

Saint Sebastian Tended by Saint Irene

  • ... that paintings of Saint Sebastian Tended by Saint Irene (example pictured) reflected the position of both Catholic and Protestant churches that people should not flee to avoid the plague? Source: Sections 50-54 in Hedquist, Valerie, "Ter Brugghen’s Saint Sebastian Tended by Irene," Journal of Historians of Netherlandish Art 9:2 (Summer 2017) DOI: 10.5092/jhna.2017.9.2.3, fully online
  • Reviewed: coming
  • Comment: expanded from redirect

Created by Johnbod (talk). Self-nominated at 04:00, 17 December 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg While not exactly a DYK issue, there seems to be something off about the article: the part about depictions in art comes before the discussion of the incident itself? Seems to be the reverse of what I normally read in articles about incidents in Christianity. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:03, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
Firstly that's not correct - both are covered in the lead, & I can't understand why you think that. Secondly this is not a scriptural episode, as most standard scenes in Christian art are, so the sort of section setting out the biblical references etc cannot be expected. The subject essentially only exists in art and hagiographical literature, after a certain date, and the depictions in art, as well as the plague connection, are the main subjects of continuing interest, and therefore the article. As far as I know there are no liturgical references etc. Johnbod (talk) 13:26, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Marinette Dupain-Cheng

Converted from a redirect by Flowerpiep (talk). Self-nominated at 12:29, 14 December 2018 (UTC).

The Princess Saves Herself In This One

Created by Jisbell2 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:14, 10 December 2018 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - no
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol delete vote.svg The article does not appear in the hook? Hook not adwquately cited. Also contradictory information (is it 2016 or 2017?) and some NPOV ("very heavy"). No QPQ. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GiantSnowman (talkcontribs) 19:29, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

GiantSnowman, this editor is editing through a college course and has no prior DYK experience. In cases like this we generally try to help them as they are not only new to DYK but also to Wikipedia generally. Also, as they are new (with no prior DYKs), there is no QPQ requirement. Best, Mifter Public (talk) 05:20, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
Also, it looks like the user recieved some feedback from their course instructor/Wiki Ed about the nom. Mifter Public (talk) 06:15, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
@Mifter Public: good spot on QPQ, I've amended accordingly. GiantSnowman 08:21, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
I took the liberty to pipe, - not that I like that, but we need a link to the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:01, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
ALT1: ...that in The Princess Saves Herself In This One, the female archetype of "the princess" is transformed in a "modern, feminist, empowered way" in a story of child abuse and survival? source
User:GiantSnowman, User:Gerda Arendt, Mifter Public, I'm working on this a bit to try and get it in shape for the front page. I've proposed an alternate hook and am making copyedits. Please bear with me; I obviously have a bit more work to do and appreciate y'all's comments here and whatever you can do in the article. GS, I will ping you again when I think the article is more ready than it is now. (I'll add that I didn't see the entirety of the article when the DYK nomination was made, and I would have held back on it, but it is what it is, and I'm sure we can make it work.) Thanks again, Dr Aaij (talk) 15:42, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Voyage of the Sable Venus and Other Poems

Voyage of the Sable Venus from Angola to the West Indies, 1801
Voyage of the Sable Venus from Angola to the West Indies, 1801

Created by Dr Aaij (talk). Nominated by Dr Aaij (talk) at 18:58, 10 December 2018 (UTC).

Crisper drawer

  • Reviewed: forthcoming

Created by Chetsford (talk). Self-nominated at 17:59, 10 December 2018 (UTC).

  • It's fine--just squeaks by in terms of length (after removal of a trivial mention). Sources are fine, no plagiarism--but we're awaiting a QPQ. Chetsford, drop me a line when you got that taken care of. BTW, when was the first one placed in a refrigerator? I'm sure whatever was produced in 1835 wasn't in a machine like today's. Thanks, Dr Aaij (talk) 19:07, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Plus, I wonder if we shouldn't add "humidity" to the hook; if so many people don't know how it works, then maybe they don't know that either. I wouldn't be surprised if you got a million hits with that. Dr Aaij (talk) 19:09, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Drive-by comment: I know how it works (I have a Tupperware crisper), so I don't understand what's hooky here. X=Y is rarely hooky, BTW. Yoninah (talk) 22:40, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Because they're uncommon in most countries, or they're not actually called a "crisper" by most people: in the UK it doesn't have a name, but people do know that the bottom of a fridge is good for parsnips, so it could get quite a few hits with people not from the US going "oh, that's what it's called". This is one of the 'obvious' hooks that isn't obvious for many readers. Kingsif (talk) 02:17, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi all, I apologize I haven't done the QPQ on this yet. I thought it might be good to take a photo of a crisper to include in the article so I just need to do that (but not my own because it's full). Chetsford (talk) 06:34, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Wilfrid Butt

Created by 97198 (talk). Self-nominated at 11:43, 10 December 2018 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Interesting life, on few but good sources, no vcopyvio obvious. I wonder if our average reader is prompted by the kind of hormone, or if something like "formidable force in the assays and treatment of reproduction" should appear, - at least "reproduction". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:08, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
  • @Gerda Arendt: Personally I think a specific achievement is more interesting than a general quote. I don't see how adding the word "reproduction" to the hook would improve it. 97198 (talk) 12:33, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 11[edit]

Rami Barracks

  • ... that the 18th-cntury built Rami Barracks, which was temporarily used as a food wholesale market hall, is being redeveloped to serve as Turkey's biggest library?

Source: "...Rami Kışlası (Asakir-i Mansure-i Muhammediye Kışlası), III. Mustafa döneminde (1757-1774) yaptırıldı." (in Turkish) [48], "TOKİ, Rami Kışlasında 32 yıldır ‘geçici’ olarak bulunan Rami Gıda Toptancıları Hali esnafını taşımaya hazırlanıyor." (in Turkish) [49] ""The plan is to construct Turkey's biggest library ..." [50]

Created by CeeGee (talk). Self-nominated at 18:25, 18 December 2018 (UTC).

Nationalization in Poland

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 06:04, 14 December 2018 (UTC).

Current nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on December 12[edit]

Sanderia malayensis

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 21:10, 16 December 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough, long enough (recent 5x expansion), and well referenced. Hook is interesting. QPQ is done, and no copyvio found. Question with the hooks though: the cited source does describe a number of types of asexual reproduction, but does not explicit call the jellyfish's life cycle "complex", or am I missing something? -Zanhe (talk) 07:45, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 13[edit]

Little brown bat

  • ... that the little brown bat's offspring weighs nearly a third of its mother's weight at birth? Source: "The young are functionally altricial at birth, but they are extremely large, weighing 30% of the mother's postpartum mass" Kurta et al. 1989

Improved to Good Article status by Enwebb (talk). Self-nominated at 02:24, 19 December 2018 (UTC).

HMS Safari

HMS Safari underway on the River Mersey
HMS Safari underway on the River Mersey
  • Reviewed: Psalm 24
  • Comment: ALT0 would make a great quirky hook; ALT1 would be great in the lead slot.

5x expanded by L293D (talk). Self-nominated at 21:41, 18 December 2018 (UTC).

S. Dharmambal

Created by Gfosankar (talk). Self-nominated at 14:40, 16 December 2018 (UTC).

General eligiblity:

  • New Enough: Green tickY
  • Long Enough: Red XN - meets length criteria, but has not be evaluated for quality and might be a stub (more likely start)

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - Three issues:
  1. I would want to insert the word "is" before honored: "...that Indian activist S. Dharmambal is honoured as heroic Tamil mother for her contributions to Tamil language?"
  2. Although the statement itself is sufficiently-cited, the article does not make clear what her contributions to the Tamil language are. I infer from the article that what is meant by her "contributions to the language" is that she was a proponent of Tamil-language education. I think that both the article and the DYK nomination would be stronger if that is spelled out more clearly, perhaps in the lead paragraph of the article.
  3. Only the first initial is given. Do we know her name?
  • Summary: The hook itself is very interesting and I would strongly support the nomination if the connection between her work and its summary were a bit clearer.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg Kenirwin/(talk) 20:36, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

  • Do we need to wait for quality assessment? I don't think so.
  • Other issues
  1. ALT 1:... that Indian activist S. Dharmambal is honoured as heroic Tamil mother for her contributions to Tamil language?
  2. clarified in the article.
  3. clarified in the article's Talk page.
Thank you for the review. Gfosankar (talk) 14:04, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

1999 Matamoros standoff

Moved to mainspace by MX (talk). Self-nominated at 15:38, 13 December 2018 (UTC).

Rhythm Inside (Loïc Nottet song)

Improved to Good Article status by Cartoon network freak (talk). Self-nominated at 14:37, 15 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Starting review: is indeed GA status and nominated in time. Article is big enough and cited throughout. Correct person credited. Hook is 178 characters, and links to the article. However the reference supplied does not confirm the hook, as it fails to mention much of its detail. QPQ does not appear to be done and this is the 10th nomination for User:Cartoon network freak. Also no copyright problem found. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:55, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • What you added is a primary source, so the hook can be considered sourced. But I am still awaiting a review of another did you know nomination. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:50, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
Graeme Bartlett, as the user appears to have less than 5 DYK nominations, they are exempt from the QPQ requirement. Best, Mifter (talk) 00:14, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
  1. Template:Did you know nominations/Inna
  2. Template:Did you know nominations/Give Me Your Everything
  3. Template:Did you know nominations/Heaven (Inna song)
  4. Template:Did you know nominations/Alexandra Stan v. Marcel Prodan
  5. Template:Did you know nominations/Homophobia (film)
  6. Template:Did you know nominations/No Sleepin'
  7. Template:Did you know nominations/Goodbye (The Humans song)
  8. Template:Did you know nominations/List of certified albums in Romania
  9. Template:Did you know nominations/List of Airplay 100 number ones of the 2010s
These are 9 prior nominations, but most were unsuccessful. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 04:12, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
To my understanding, we count credits, not nominations. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:36, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Graeme Bartlett, Gerda Arendt is correct. The measurement is number of DYK credits, not DYK nominations, so it's however many make the front page. In this case, I only see two, based on Cartoon network freak's talk page, so no QPQ is required at the present time. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:42, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg @Graeme Bartlett: @Cartoon network freak: apologies, but I've had to pull this one at the last minute due to a concern raised at WP:ERRORS by Kevin McE. See here: [51] Once the issues are sorted out it can be re-promoted. THanks.  — Amakuru (talk) 00:16, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
This is not going to change any more for this hook as it was referenced by the primary source. If hook pullers are not satisfied then I will not revert the pull, and they will still not be satisfied. I was happy that the hook was true and supported by the video. So this hook can be incinerated. If someone wants to propose another hook, ten I will reassess that. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:50, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
@Graeme Bartlett: what about '"...that in a music video for Belgian singer Loïc Nottet's "Rhythm Inside" (2015), several people arrive at a warehouse in a container for human experimentation? (https://wiwibloggs.com/2015/10/13/belgium-loic-nottet-goes-sci-fi-in-new-rhythm-inside-video/104469/)(https://www.nrj.be/articles/rhythm-inside-nouveau-clip.html)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Cartoon network freak (talkcontribs) 05:35, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment: When this was pulled, the nomination was added under December 13 at some point. SL93 (talk) 11:22, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 14[edit]

Cinema of Venezuela

A frame from the film
A frame from the film
  • ... that the first Venezuelan film was an 1897 short (frame pictured) showing a dentist pulling teeth? Source: "we know thanks to documental research that the name of these first films were Un célebre especialista sacando muelas en el gran Hotel Europa" (The Beginnings of Cinema in Venezuela)
    • ALT1:... that the public response to the introduction of cinema to Venezuela was "cold" and "indifferent"? Source: "Unlike what could have been expected, the recetion given to cinema could be said to have been cold and characterized by a kind of indifferent curiosity" (The Beginnings of Cinema in Venezuela)

5x expanded by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 02:29, 17 December 2018 (UTC).

Monrovia Church massacre

Created by Turismond (talk). Self-nominated at 01:32, 15 December 2018 (UTC).

Howard J. Green

Howard J. Green circa 1927
Howard J. Green circa 1927

Created by SamCordes (talk). Self-nominated at 06:31, 14 December 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 15[edit]

Battle of Blanchetaque

  • ... that at the Battle of Blanchetaque English longbowmen stood in a tidal river to engage French mercenary crossbowmen? Source: DeVries, Kelly (1996). Infantry Warfare in the Early Fourteenth Century: Discipline, Tactics, and Technology. Woodbridge, Suffolk; Rochester, NY: Boydell & Brewer. ISBN 978-0-85115-571-5 p. 158; Hardy, Robert (2010). Longbow: a Social and Military History. Yeovil, Somerset: Haynes Publishing. ISBN 978-185260-620-6 p. 64; Burne, Alfred (1999). The Crecy War. Ware, Hertfordshire: Wordsworth Editions. ISBN 978-1-84022-210-4 p. 159.

Improved to Good Article status by Gog the Mild (talk). Self-nominated at 18:22, 17 December 2018 (UTC).

Colby Thorne

  • Reviewed: I.O.U.
  • Comment: Please feel free to tweak the hooks, or suggest another.

Moved to mainspace by JuneGloom07 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:08, 19 December 2018 (UTC).

El Caracazo (film)

  • ... that El Caracazo was Hugo Chávez' favourite film? Source: Kozloff, Nikolas (2008). Revolution!: South America and the Rise of the New Left. Palgrave Macmillan. p. 100 & 104. ISBN 9780230617544 (quoted in article)
    • ALT1:... that when it was made, El Caracazo was the most expensive Venezuelan film ever made? Source: "Esta película no es sólo la de mayor presupuesto en mi carrera, sino en la historia del cine venezolano." "This film is not just the biggest budget of my career, but in the history of Venezuelan cinema." (aporrea 1)
    • ALT2:... that the 2005 film El Caracazo required a military security presence when filming scenes of riot and massacre in the centre of Venezuelan capital Caracas? Source: "Habrá importante refuerzo policial y militar desde las seis de la mañana ya que para desarrollar el proyecto cinematográfico se usarán tanquetas, helicópteros y unidades policiales." "There will be important police and military reinforcement from six in the morning due to the production of the film project using tanks, helicopters, and police units" (aporrea 2)

5x expanded by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 00:17, 16 December 2018 (UTC).

Manuel Trujillo Durán

Manuel Trujillo Durán
Manuel Trujillo Durán
  • ... that for nearly 100 years people thought Manuel Trujillo Durán (pictured) introduced cinema to Venezuela, though he was just a film technician at the time? Source: "Manuel Trujillo Durán, who was until very recently thought to be the person who had brought the Vitascope to Venezuela, was actually a photographer hired by Méndez to operate the Vitascope" The Beginnings of Cinema in Venezuela
    • ALT1:... that Manuel Trujillo Durán (pictured) started university aged 14, ironically at the Federal College of Men? Source: "Manuel Trujillo Durán inició sus estudios de bachillerato a los 14 años en el Colegio Federal de Varones" "[Trujillo] began his bachelor studies at 14 years in the Federal College of Men" (Consejo Legislativo del Zulia)

Created by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 19:50, 15 December 2018 (UTC).

Lisa Buckwitz

Lisa Buckwitz in 2018
Lisa Buckwitz in 2018
  • Comment: ALT0 or ALT1 on 21 February (day she won the gold medal) would be great, otherwise ALT2 or ALT3
  • Reviewed: Joe Kryczka (4/5)

5x expanded by Joseph2302 (talk). Self-nominated at 10:38, 15 December 2018 (UTC).

Why We Have a Body

Created by SL93 (talk). Self-nominated at 05:38, 15 December 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 16[edit]

Andrew Traynor

Created by FiendYT (talk). Self-nominated at 22:59, 16 December 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 17[edit]

Victor Bonney

  • Reviewed: To be done
  • Comment: 5x expanded from 17 Dec

5x expanded by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 09:55, 19 December 2018 (UTC).

Slater family (EastEnders)

  • Reviewed: El Pez que Fuma
  • Comment: Feel free to edit the hooks or suggest an alternative.

Moved to mainspace by Soaper1234 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:38, 17 December 2018 (UTC).

Peter McAdams

  • ... that Peter McAdams received the Medal of Honor for carrying his wounded comrade 250 yards (230 m) while under fire?
    • ALT1:... that Peter McAdams immediately requested permission to enter enemy lines to rescue his wounded comrade?

Created by FiendYT (talk). Self-nominated at 18:00, 17 December 2018 (UTC).

  • Hi FiendYT, review follows: article created 17 December; article exceeds minimum length; article is written well and cited inline throughout to reliable sources; I have added a lead to the article; I could not access the two main sources but am happy to AGF that there is no overly close paraphrasing from them; the first hook is mentioned in the article and referenced (I altered it slightly as the article made no mention of "heavy" fire) - AGF on sources; I have struck the second hook as the article makes no mention of "immediately" and without it there is no sense of the exceptional nature of the rescue; my preference is for the first hook anyway, context could be added by linking to Battle of Salem Church; QPQ has been carried out - Dumelow (talk) 10:25, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Zhuo-Hua Pan

Created by Zanhe (talk). Self-nominated at 07:52, 17 December 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 18[edit]

Dermophis donaldtrumpi

  • ... that donaldtrumpi measures about 10 centimeters (4 inches) and looks like a slippery worm with tentacles? Sources: "10cm amphibian" [52]; "slippery ... looks like a large worm ... Other characteristics ... include tentacles" [53]

Created by MarkZusab (talk). Nominated by EEng (talk) at 02:22, 19 December 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg It's currently at 836 bytes of readable prose and contains a stub tag, so too short in two ways. Can it be expanded? Also, the hook claims need to be in the article, which currently does not include a physical description, so that's an obvious place to start. —David Eppstein (talk) 03:45, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
    Well, jeesh, next time don't review so fast. We're working on it. EEng 04:03, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
    • Ok. I hadn't considered that some people might follow a nominate-first write-later strategy. —David Eppstein (talk) 04:05, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
I couldn't wait to get the hook out there. EEng 09:05, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Radu Lupu

Lupu in 1975
Lupu in 1975
  • ... that the Romanian pianist Radu Lupu has performed with every major orchestra in the world? Source: several, including "Radu Lupu: Acclaim in Spite of Himself" (Clavier, 1981)
    • ALT1:... that the Romanian pianist Radu Lupu's public debut at the age of 12 featured his own compositions? Source: several, including "Wonderboy" (The Christian Science Monitor, 1970)
  • Reviewed: Pending

5x expanded by Zingarese (talk). Self-nominated at 21:01, 18 December 2018 (UTC).

Carmen Mory

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 05:17, 18 December 2018 (UTC).

Román Chalbaud

  • ... that director Román Chalbaud was imprisoned and tortured for five months in 1957 because of his political views? Source: Rist, Peter H. (2014). Historical Dictionary of South American Cinema. Rowman & Littlefield. p. 133. ISBN 9780810880368. (in article)
    • ALT1:... that director Román Chalbaud became interested in camera angles after playing the angel in a Nativity play who got to watch from above the stage? Source: "...participó en un nacimiento viviente interpretando a un ángel. [...] su cuerpo gracias a la cual podía ser suspendido en el aire con ayuda de técnicos [...] El joven Román Chalbaud era capaz de mirar desde un ángulo poco común, a una gran cantidad de personas que a su vez, también lo observaban. Esa perspectiva es definida por el propio Chalbaud como [...] su primera experiencia consistente en ver el mundo desde el punto de vista de una cámara." "...he took part in a live nativity playing an angel. [...] thanks to this his body could be suspended in the air with technical help [...] The young Román Chalbaud was able to watch from a rare angle, there was a lot of people who were watching, that he also watched. This perspective is defined by Chalbaud as [...] his first experience of seeing the world from a camera's point of view." (Briceño, Raul. "La visión de Román Chalbaud: anécdotas del cine nacional". Radio Rescate. Warning: sound)
  • Reviewed: The Common Wind
  • Comment: If going with ALT1 can this go up on Christmas? (If it's full, how about Christmas Eve, because Nativity?)

5x expanded by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 03:01, 18 December 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 19[edit]

Tibor Kováč

  • ... that Tibor Kováč, who rescued Jews during the Holocaust, committed suicide in 1952 due to harassment by the Communist secret police? Source: for the suicide date of death
    • ALT1:... that Jewish community leader Tibor Kováč negotiated with a former classmate who was responsible for deporting the Jews in Slovakia during the Holocaust? Source: Fatran 1994, pp. 168–169.

Created by Catrìona (talk). Self-nominated at 10:41, 19 December 2018 (UTC).

Ogilvie Graham

5x expanded by AssociateAffiliate (talk) and Dumelow (talk). Nominated by Dumelow (talk) at 10:09, 19 December 2018 (UTC).

Special occasion holding area[edit]

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